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The election was going to happen without them and they didn’t want to be the party saying “no election”.

LD / SNP wanted an election because they thought Boris could pass the WAB, which would mean actually leaving. The election gives the chance to stop that.

Boris wanted the election either because he thought the WAB would be amended out of all recognition OR because he thought he would win more seats before brexit than after.

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It’s interesting to look at the poll graphs over the course of the year.

In the spring, both Labour and the Conservatives were around 40%. During the summer, the Brexit party stole a lot of Conservative Leave votes, and the Liberal Democrats stole mainly Labour Remain votes. Now the Brexit party is defunct (and so is UKIP) and the Conservatives are polling well above 40%, while the LDs have gone down but are still holding a lot of Labour votes, so Labour is dead in the water with 24%.

And all because Corbyn is an idiot boiling over with ressentiment who hates corporate liberals more than he does populists and fascists.

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Trumps opinion or comments don’t affect my view either way. I don’t think he should comment on UK politics during an election though.

In the past I’ve leaned more toward the Lib Dems but I dislike both their current leader (Swinson) and vehemently disagree with their Brexit policy (revoke).

So far I think Boris has done a good job as Prime Minister. He’s been pretty decisive in his strategy. The Brexit Party are an effective protest vote but I wouldn’t want them in Government. This makes the Tories the only viable Leave party.

I’m happy with the polls but I still think it’s going to be a tough fight. It will be interesting to see what The Brexit Party do. They’re rumored to announce their plans on Friday.

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prompted by this no doubt

What did this much vaunted Tory campaign team think would happen sending that fucking shitstain to a hospital?

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Thanks, that perfectly answers my question. I hadn’t realized that LibDems and SNP were seeing the election as a (last ditch?) opportunity to stop Boris’ Brexit plan.

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A good job? Stacking failed vote on failed promise on failed vote on failed promise on failed… is a ‘good’ job?

Oh right. He wants keeps steering towards brexit which is the only thing you care about.

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I think we might need some kind of specialised algorithm to count the crowd at this pro-Brexit demo of people outraged it didnt happen today.

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Negotiated a new deal with the EU
(or rehashed an old one with Boris sprinkles - even so it was a good move)
Held his own in PMQs
Has shown he can be statesmanlike
Re-established party discipline (sacking the rebels) and subsequently united the rest of his party
I like his NHS + Police funding policies (even if they are for self-serving reasons)
Accorded himself well under difficult Parliamentary conditions (minority government)

I have nothing to complain about with Boris’s time as PM so far. I can even understand the reasoning behind the prorogation of parliament.

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Ooh boy.

Negotiated a deal which is effectively May’s deal, but worse because he ‘solved’ the problem that deal had by just cutting off Northern Ireland. Simple and effective! I can see why you think it’s good because, hey, its a plan that moves the needle closer towards Brexit.

Just not being bowled over counts as being a good PM now? How standards have dropped. And considering his string of lost votes even ‘holding his own’ is questionable.

This is a baseline expectation for a PM. Not something praiseworthy. It might look like it because Boris Johnson is such a sad sack to begin with.

Actually convincing people to see things your way is good statesmanship. Getting rid of everyone who disagrees with you isn’t. It’s just easy to do.

Policy plans that haven’t been implemented yet, and it remains to be seen if they ever will seeing BJ’s track record with regards to the promises he makes.

Again, this is a baseline expectation, and again it’s debatable that he ‘accorded himself well’.

Of course you don’t. Boris wants Brexit as do you. The only thing I don’t understand is why you just can’t admit this and keep coming up with these other bullshit arguments.

I’m just kidding, I understand perfectly well.

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Being so awful that your ministers and brother quit politics rather than ever work with you again is the new winning. This is just so Trumpian it defies belief. We have a host of other threads full of links to people in red caps looking truth right in the face and ignoring it.

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A deal that everyone, including the EU and especially the opposition said was impossible. Whether it “cuts off” NI is debatable. I think it’s the most logical solution to the customs/regulatory problem and far superior to Mays deal that would have kept the whole of the UK trapped in the EU.

It’s difficult to win votes with a majority of -42.

Even so it’s good to have a statesmanlike PM and still a plus in Boris’s column in my view.

If it were so easy why didn’t May adopt the same strategy, why doesn’t Corbyn?
I think it was a difficult and decisive move to sack the rebels. I expect it probably cost him a lot of internal political capital to do so.

This is true but he’s only been PM for… what 90 days?
I’m giving my opinion on his performance so far.

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I don’t think my opinion is either strange or unique either.

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A far right ultranationalist Conservative base that has purged its centrists and progressives thinks its far right ultranationalist and populist leader is doing a good job and that’s news? And they agree with you is news to us too? You think that having the same opinion as an absolute bunch of ****s is helping your argument? Fuck me just tattoo a swastika on your forehead already.

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I never claimed it was. The issue is that you keep lying to everyone about why you and all those others hold that opinion. You like Johnson because he wants Brexit. That’s it. There’s nothing more there. You don’t even like BJ as a person. If I look into an alternate universe where Rees-Mogg, Farage, or anyone other Brexiteer was PM you’d be on the QuarterToFour forum spouting the exact same bullshit in support.

Oh, and while I’m done arguing with your stupid statements I just have to respond to this.

Because there is a shit ton of downsides to culling your party? Like say… ending up in a minority government that causes you to get nothing done?

GREAT STATESMANSHIP PEOPLE! BJ MASTER GENIUS!

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Worse, it begs the question. Few objective observers would describe Johnson’s tenure as statesmanlike.

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‘Shitty people like shitty leader’ is a modern trope, but it doesn’t make the leader less shitty.

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What’s the use? Draxen isn’t judging BJ in the same way you guys are, so all the points of how bad he is aren’t going to matter at all as long as he appears to try and get what Draxen believes is in the best interest of himself.

And chances of him changing opinion is vanishingly small I’d wager, “I think Brexit is good” is well and truly part of his core identity, short of Britain sinking due to Brexit, and even then, it would’ve been worse if inside the EU.

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I guess we are asking the question: If Boris killed a man in broad daylight on 5th Avenue, would he still be doing a good job?

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If that man was a certain shitgibbon, I’d vote for him.

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All of this for perhaps up to a decade of us being out the EU, maybe a bit more. There’s not a chance the nationalists, homophobes, racists and bigots of all stripes are going to dominate ever again once the boomers die off. The Brexiter identity is almost unknown in the younger generations outside of a far right minority. No boomers, no Brexit. Even in this den of hoary old Gen X’ers there’s only a handful of Trump supporters and Brexiters.