Yeah, sure, keep the same media you’ve had these last years, and the younger generations will be Brexiteers too, eventually.
They arent ever going to pick up paper again, I guess its to the tech savvy older generations to guard the new mediums and yeah theres always the danger whatever tiktok is next year could be full of nazi blipverts.
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Yougov had an interesting article on polling demographics recently (age, gender and education)
One is tempted to quote Churchill (or at least apocryphal Churchill) in reference to that chart.
Well this should be interesting. If Farage is pitting his loyalists against the Tories, it could hurt Boris badly. Added to that is Labour and Lib Dems generally not opposing each other except for a few seats.
It’s not debatable - Boris has stabbed the DUP in the back and it puts the Good Friday Agreement at risk. That being the case, the US will not give us a free trade agreement, as Trump has indicated this morning. So again, why do you think this is a good deal?
I think we can see where the Tories want to take this.
Camps soon after no doubt. It never ends with disenfranchisement.
No one said that deal was impossible. It’s among the very first offers the EU made. What happened before was that a Tory PM turned that deal down. Accepting it now isn’t some act of political genius, it’s just a case of changing one’s mind. And that is quite aside from whether it is actually a good deal.
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Boris’s deal has the GFA as a central pillar. It’s entire construction is to provide a solution that does not require a hard border. It allows the UK to leave the EU whilst maintaining the integrity of the single market and without requiring a hard border. So in what way does it put the GFA at risk?
The DUP dislike it because they oppose any kind of barrier between NI and the rest of the UK and under Boris’s deal goods moving from NI -> rest of UK would require some checks/paperwork. The problem though is that of geography.
I’m not sure why Trump opposes the deal, in the interview he doesn’t give any reasons. I imagine it’s because the UK government has indicated that after Brexit they’ll maintain high regulatory standards on things like food products (although whether they do or not remains to be seen).
Trump: “under certain ways, we’re precluded”
It separates NI from the rest of the UK legally and practically, which the DUP and their constituents rightly see as a threat to the status of NI in the UK. That’s why they were always opposed to it. As I recall, that’s why May said no Prime Minister of the UK could ever agree to it.
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That’s not entirely accurate. There are some Boris sprinkles in there too ;)
This is a contemptible response.
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As far as I know that has no effect on the GFA.
May opposed it initially because the DUP were propping up her government. She couldn’t agree to it without losing her majority.
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Boris’s sprinkles are actually rather complex.
NI remains legally part of the UK but practically in the EU customs union. NI can take advantage of any trade deals negotiated by the UK. Rebates will allow importers to be reimbursed. There is also the Stormant consent requirements.
It’s a fudge. A compromise. It’s not ideal but it’s a pretty good solution in my opinion.
Google ‘tendentious’.
No, May opposed it because she saw it as potentially a step toward relinquishing Northern Ireland, and that was the thing to which no PM of the UK could agree.
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It’s impossible to know for sure but I concede that it could have been both. Opposed to “relinquishing” NI and that without the DUP she would lose her majority.
The issue of geography remains though. The UK wants to leave the EU. How can NI leave the EU without necessitating a hard border. What is the solution?
Boris’s solution is the best I’ve encountered. What is your solution?
A customs union. Which is what the Brexiters imagined at the start, before the whole thing turned into a stupid fuck you to the whole world.
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Under EU customs union rules members cannot negotiate their own independent trade deals with countries from the rest of the world. Boris’s deal allows us to do this and for NI to take advantage of any such deals.
And how will that help the people of the UK? Describe the better trade deal you hope to get. Who is it with, and what are the terms?
