strategy
7049
Yes - approximately 10 million people are planning to vote contrary to their interest about Brexit, but let’s pretend that isn’t the case, because it benefits my side. Eyeroll is right.
Aceris
7050
At least get your numbers right. It’s closer to 6m.
I think 80% of people voting inline with their preference on an issue generally indicates it is indeed the primary issue of the election. I don’t think draxen is pretending anything on this specific point, whereas you are using the “Boris bus” technique.
wavey
7051
Does it? What are the numbers for other issues?
Aceris
7052
I don’t know. But polling shows brexit as by far the most significant issue:
Curtice is saying this election is about Brexit.
I think at this point the idea that the election isn’t about brexit is the claim that needs evidence.
wavey
7053
It’s certainly important, but it’s a little more nuanced than that, I think. Curtice:
However, in those polls which invite people to name more than one topic, the NHS vies with Brexit as the most commonly named concern.
For example, according to YouGov, 73% of Brexit Party supporters say Brexit will be the most important issue in deciding how to vote. That view is shared by 56% of those who intend to vote Conservative.
Just over half of Liberal Democrats (51%) think Brexit is the most important issue.
However, only 21% of Labour voters agree. Indeed, Labour supporters are rather more likely to name health (28%).
Ipsos MORI shows Brexit and Health similarly neck and neck:
spiffy
7054
I could be wrong, but I thought Strategy was implying that the politicians were pretending it was about everything other than Brexit. Other than Swinson, I suppose, which is ironic since the only thing to make all the labour and Tory promises come true is to not sabotage the country via Brexit.
It’s just lexiters confusing the issue and splitting the Remain vote. The zoomer and millennial part of the idiocracy has forgotten their futures rest on Brexit as free broadband is going to solve everything. Attention spans like goldfish.
strategy
7056
Voting population of the UK is ~47 million, so ~9.5 if you want to be precise. And no, I don’t intend to guess at turnout, given how unconventional this election is - it could go either way.
And it doesn’t really change my point. That 1 in 5 voters intend to vote in ways that don’t match their interests on the issue of the election is not exactly hallmarks of democratic validation when the margin of decision is likely to be 1-2% - the idea that the losing side, whether Leave or Remainer, will look at such numbers and agree that this in any way, shape or form settles the issue or validates the victory of the other side is not only absurd - it’s stupid.
And for an issue that is supposedly the issue of the election, it’s curious how uninterested politicians and media are to discuss it. I looked at BBC’s election pages a few minutes ago, and of a good dozen stories at the top of their page, only two were even tangentially related to Brexit (and one of those was “Corbyn refuses to discuss freedom of movement”, so actually a story about how politicians don’t want to discuss Brexit). Which is not surprising, of course, considering that it’s not really in the political class’s interest to resolve Brexit in this election.
Yeah, as an outsider it’s been odd watching this play out. Last few months have been: BREXITBREXITBREXIT…FREE WI-FI!
EU: Okay, we’ll give you an extension. Just don’t waste this precious time.
UK: Let’s have a leadership election! Prorogue parliament!
EU: Alright, another extension. But this time, please don’t waste-
UK: General election! NHS! Free wi-fi!
What happens when the Labour party knows that talking about Brexit is a bad thing.
As I’ve oft repeated, if only we had an opposition.
Tim_N
7060
I agree whole heartedly that Labour should have been steadfastly pro-Remain for years, but conditional on everything that has happened in the past, what would it gain Labour for Corbyn to change track now? For every 1 vote you get from the Lib Dems they’d probably lose at least one to the Greens, no votes, and the conservatives.
We’re fucked at this stage. We needed an opposition 3 years ago, not tomorrow.
I have a little theory that the NHS is one of those things people feel compelled to mention as important to them in these kind of polls.
Plus, one assumes these polls are basiclaly multiple choice, i.e. of the following 4 things, what do you think is the most important in the election:
whereas I imagine (no scientific grounding, mere musing) that if it were a free floating question, as in:
What is most important to you in the election?
Maybe the NHS, or even Brexit, wouldn’t get top billing?
Indeed, seems it is no longer an easy vote winner, now that reality, sorry project fear, looms it’s ugly head.
Plus the narrative I am hearing seems to be:
- Brexit fatigue
- make it go away
which is, ahem, not very clever, and imho emblematic of the thinking that got us here in the first place, i.e. short termist, refusal/inability to engage with the issue, scapegoat others, shout louder.
Brexit Party continue to prove its really about the EU
What attracts all these bigots to a far right ultranationalist movement I wonder
Turns out all that Brexiter/Lexiter bullshit about “respecting democracy” was their usual lies.
Another interesting resignation letter
references this
magnet
7068
They do the Hoki Coki in the UK instead of the Hokey Pokey? The cultural chasm grows ever wider.
