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I particularly liked the insinuation that observant Jews were almost all wealthy allies of the class enemy.

It doesn’t mention JLM once. Indeed it suggests the Jews had weak links with the Labour Party. Neither does it mention the Jewish MPs who left labour.

Only an anti Semite would consider this reasonable.

EDIT: Was that over the top? I don’t think so. The article just seemed so distorted, not only in its portrayal of the more debateable issues, but in the facts that it omitted around JLM. Facts that scott is well aware of. There are also other claims (“jews mainly vote tory” (not before 2015), the “87% figure is of jews who pay synagogue fees” (not true, and the fees aren’t that high) that are patently false. Yet Scott approached the article with complete credulity. This forum would collectively show no hesitation in condemning someone who uncritically reiterated Fox news talking points about how Trump isn’t racist. And so.

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Like the Jews who said it all? Were they anti-Semites, or did they consider their own words and views unreasonable?

Also, too, welcome to number 2 in my ignore list, fucker.

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At this rate, Scott, by Christmas you’re not going to be able to see a single thing in this thread! :)

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Yeah, I kinda hate that. Sigh.

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and big chunk of whatabouttheTories at the front and end. The Corbynistas churn these examples of weak apologism and wilful blindness out every day.

The latest person suspended from Labour for anti-Semitism, Safia Ali the candidate for Falkirk, was parachuted in as candidate by someone in Head Office. No one in Falkirk CLP knew her. Her only involvement previously with politics was standing against Labour in the last local elections. She hadn’t been a member long. Someone in power chose her as candidate. Local CLP was ignored.

The one suspended the day before, Leslie Perrin, a candidate in Devon, received this letter for making a video questioning the 6 million figure in the Holocaust.

“The Panel found that you acted in a way that was prejudicial and detrimental to the party. The use of the ‘6 million’ figure and questioning the legitimacy of the Holocaust was deemed to be a serious breach of party rules. The Panel concluded that this conduct incompatible with the Members’ Pledge, the NECs Code of Conduct: Antisemitism and the NEC Code of Conduct: Social Media Policy, and in breach of Rule 2.1.8 of the Labour Party Rules. Labour is a progressive, democratic and anti-racist party. Behaviour contrary to those values is unacceptable and harms the party’s good name. The Panel has therefore decided to exercise its power under Chapter 6 of the Rules to issue you with this Reminder of Conduct to make clear that your conduct has fallen short of the high standards expected of party members and to remind you of the importance of behaving consistently with the Party’s Rules and Codes of Conduct at all times.”

So if someone uploads a Holocaust denial video in the Democrat Party, do they get a warning letter and remain as candidates in the election? Or shall I rightly presume that Holocaust denial isn’t really normalised in US centre/left politics?

The denier resigned, her husband too as he was senior in her CLP. The people who selected her remain, as do those who silently sat through her rants and socmedia output. A culture where Holocaust deniers thrive and are chosen by the majority to be candidates remains. The Compliance Committee who decided creating Holocaust denial videos is only worthy of a slap on the wrist and written warning remains in at the top of Labour governance.

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The faux outrage at people calling out the accusation that claims of Labour anti-Semitism are “libel” (i.e defamation, a false statement) isnt really fooling me btw. The list of publications, organisations, politicians, public figures, academics and huge numbers of British Jews (87%) that call Labour and Corbyn anti-Semitic are making false statements? 70 Labour staff whistleblowers are making false statements to a statutory body? Why? What is their motive? This massive group of people and near entire minority, they are deliberately making false statements for what reason? and each and every one independently and not in concert? Hundreds of thousands of people?

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And people wondered about my “only good Tory is a dead Tory” comments upthread. They are utter fucking vermin.

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Yeah anyone who advises you to get a payday loan to make ends meet is a fucking con artist and a leech.

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I always knew Tories were awful, but this week has been especially eye-opening and sickening. Why doesn’t he just suggest renting their kids out next? And put those 5 year-olds to work as chimney sweeps?

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Yeah, a payday loan? That’s just amazing. Even Republicans in the U.S. don’t sink that low. I don’t think. (Although they do try to protect predatory practices by payday loan lenders).

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Oh yes they do. The entire reason the payday loan industry is as expansive and vulturous as it here is due to Republicans opening up the laws to make them legal.

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It’s a biased sample, of course.

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More news on the “lifelong anti-racists” from the Cult of Corbyn.

Hundreds of files show members still receive lenient or no sanction for anti-semitism
One man who said “Jewish gang” and “Zionist scumbags” had seized power over party was asked if he was sorry
He said no, he was telling the truth: “Zionists are psychopaths”. He was let back in

One woman shouted at a veteran councillor that he “licked the bum of Jews for money”
She also shared posts about “Jewish agenda” to use chaos and magic to “conquer gentile world” and Israelis being behind 9/11
She was also readmitted to the party and given just a “warning”

Ditto for a woman who said that just “thousands” died in the Holocaust and that Jews were “rich, interested in finance and intent on controlling others”
She was given a warning and only suspended over a “data breach” - thought to be speaking to The

At October meeting of National Constitutional Committee, officials admit > 130 cases outstanding even though “vast majority” were reported 18 months ago
Audio reveals one Corbynista complained oldest was three years old
On this point that Corbyn said chief rabbi was wrong.

Labour took months or years to expel members who said Jews were a “cancer”, “bent nose manipulative liars” and called for “extermination of every Jew on the planet”
Lord McDonald, ex director of public prosecutions, said some statements echoed Nazi Germany and were hate crimes

Corbyn has presented his reforms as the silver bullet for solving the party’s anti-semitism crisis
But Anna Dyer, chair of the NCC, blasts a “surreal” lack of communication from the party and says his reforms “present dangers for the party and could be challenged in court”

Last night, Labour insisted that Corbyn’s reforms were watertight and that our figures were false
It did not deny the authenticity of the documents
It did not deny it has failed to implement “diversity training” - a routine “punishment” for members

On the plus side, once the EHRC declare Labour a hate group the Labour Party itself and its executive can be sued into oblivion. Perhaps a new centre left Labour can form from the ashes.

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and over on the other side…

The Sun spreading the word of “Aryan Unity” to its millions of readers.

Searchlight is a national fucking treasure ffs. The Sun list also included Foucault and Derrida lol

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I looked at this and it’s just a map of tenuous links, with no explanation for why and two nodes are “associated” These “intelligence officers” are bloody useless. And also massive racists. What I found interesting is they didn’t discriminate at all between totally legit organisations and the shadier nastier groups. Which makes sense because the far right nutjobs see it all as part of some vast conspiracy.

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I don’t think it’s fair to call those Jews anti-Semites. But they’re certainly out of sync with the 87% of British Jews who believe that Corbyn is anti-Semitic. Are 87% of British Jews really guilty of “libel” for that belief?

Look at one of the (many) recent scandals: The Chief Rabbi calls the claim that Jeremy Corbyn is fighting anti-Semitism a “mendacious fiction”. Subsequently, Corbyn is asked for a response:

Jeremy Corbyn, a shrewd and competent politician, ignores the accusation that his fight against anti-Semitism is “fiction”, to instead focus on the real issue: Has the Chief Rabbi met his burden of proof with regards to mendacity?

This wasn’t some “gotcha!” question. Corbyn knew this would be asked. And this isn’t the first time Corbyn has stuck his foot in his mouth with regards to British Jews. It keeps happening!

Does the existence of black, Hispanic, Muslim, and gay Republicans mean that Donald Trump is not a biased man?

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This is what I thought as well - I didn’t know about the history of the organisation but I assumed as fervent anti-zionists they had found themselves at odds with most of British jewry, leading to very different perspectives, different standards of antisemitism, and a strong loyalty to the Palestinian activist cause.

But then I saw this:


Now, there’s no proof there JVL were behind the faked letter. But.

Here we have JVL facebook claiming firsthand knowledge of the letter being genuine (we know it to be fake):

They are systematically perpetuating a deception in an attempt to protect antisemities. This isn’t a matter of a principled difference of opinion, it’s a matter of full throated defence of the party, to the point of lying about it.

And these are the people Labour activists are sent to for “antisemitism awareness training”. It’s would be farcial if it wasn’t so terrifying.

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They’ve certainly been told that he’s an anti-Semite.

The article I read makes the claim that there is anti-Semitism in the Labour Party, just as there is anti-Semitism in every aspect of British society, but that the Labour Party and Corbyn have reacted badly to the charge, choosing to respond defensively to much of it. That’s quite a damning claim. It isn’t a claim of anti-Semitism by Corbyn, but it could easily be framed that way, and it has been, for years. It isn’t surprising that, after a concerted campaign to do so, many people believe it.

There’s too much parsing going on there for my taste, sorry.

I don’t know what this means. I can point to racist, bigoted statements and actions by Trump. That’s the evidence that he’s a racist and a bigot.

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Why is he trying to deflect this by talking about things Corbyn have directly said when the issue is

his leadership of Labour
his appointment and his installation of anti-Semites throughout Labour
his wilful blindness of anti-Semitism
the evidence that the Labour Party is a racist organisation

Somehow, Corbyn isnt responsible for anything that happens in party, anything the people he employed have done, anything his executive have done, anything the people he put into Compliance have done, anything his supporters and allies on the governance board have done, any changes in culture his supporters have brought, anything his supporters in the party have said or done.

We have Corbyn’s people he put into compliance who are absolutely fine with Holocaust Denial and calling for Jews to be exterminated. Also, the brazen statement that someone who has been good friends with a Holocaust denier and virulent racists like Stephen Sizer, or blood libellers like Raed Salah is somehow an anti-racist without an anti-Semitic bone in his body

How many holocaust deniers do those on QT3 here know? How many times have they socialised with Holocaust deniers? When did they last have a Holocaust denier around for dinner? How many times have they donated money to Holocaust deniers? How many Holocaust deniers in your local Democrat party? In your social circle? in your casual acquaintances, how many times have you had to listen to anyone you know or have associated with engage in Holocaust denial in the last few years? How common is Holocaust denial on your socmedia? Let me guess.

No one here knows any Holocaust deniers.

Corbyn is a racist. The evidence is overwhelming. No one leads a party and huge organisation that turns from an anti-racist organisation to a racist hate group in 4 years and has no involvement or responsibility.

Put it this way, a white American Police Chief makes statements condemning racism in his force. He has never been caught using slurs or tropes against black people. His officers continue to be caught engaging in racism, none are punished. Whistleblowers are bullied out the police force. Compliance and disciplinary boards support the police officers. The state is investigating the force using statutory laws around anti-racism and equality. The local population shout for help and insist the police are racist. Before the Police Chief was appointed this force had below average levels of racist incidents and the issues arise from those who arrived with the Police Chief. Despite statements from the Chief and PR departments about change, disciplinary proceedings and apologies, nothing has changed, in fact, its got worse.

The Police Chiefs supporters insist that anyone who says the Police Chief is enabling and empowering racism and is in charge of a racist organisation are committing libel and are politically motivated. They claim that the local black population are make false statements and working in concert against the Chief.

Corbyn’s supporters like to use the phrase “weaponised racism”, and we all know how that phrase is used elsewhere.

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That resembles the argument that anyone who wears a MAGA hat is a bigot, even if they have not personally said or done anything bigoted. Failing to recognize racism among others in the GOP is evidence enough.