7595

Avoiding no deal relies on the government not being incompetent, not being liars, and not kowtowing to its voter base of ignorant, racist idiots*

*Unemployed or unemployable working class Northerners who just voted for a group of upper class ,hardcore, free market, hypercapitalist Atlanticist Thatcherites? Goodbye NHS, goodbye benefits, goodbye worker rights, hello Fire At Will.

Fucking. Idiots. I look forward watching them drown in a lake of their own shit.

7596

Boris won’t get damaged much by Leavers on the event of a no-deal… until things get more expensive, jobs are lost, investments get pulled–and then he gets roasted over an open flame by them, as he would by remoaners and fence sitters alike.

My guess is most leave voters didn’t hear “They voted for pain” and think it related to them.They thought it might be London Elites, or Euro businesses, or whomever else they have an ideological grudge with.

7598

Boris needs to hang onto moderate remain votes in the south or he loses dozens of seats to the Lib Dems. I think FifthFret has the right of it. He’ll do a basic deal, enough that it’s not an obvious disaster, and declare victory.

7599

Sure-- but again, he can declare victory as much as he likes, but if the economy and the union start to fall apart, he’s toast, no matter what he declares. So it’s very much in his interest to make a deal where things can chug along as they are, or at worst, only very slowly erode (like how they’ve strangled the NHS, slowly oh so slowly) so that the frog only boils when he’s ready to retire to a safe space far away from the pitchforks.

7600

Yes, but him and his people are absolutely incompetent. They could bumble and fuckup their way into No Deal quite easily. This is Johnson who doesnt read briefs and agrees things on the fly remember? a team who dont understand the basics? or what the goal is? Or what is realistic or achievable? Who visit Dover and then say “i didnt realise it was going to be busy” ?

7601

Yeah, I don’t expect good things to happen either, I’m just debating Draxen who thinks Boris will coast along, deal or no deal, to which I’m saying sure, I bet he will. Until the realities set in and people (especially Leave Labour switch voters and Tory “just-get-it-done-what-is-Brexit-actually” voters) get buyer’s remorse when things get sour for them.

7602

Oh i dont disagree, the only time the public might, and i mean might get it, is when they suffer the consequences of their actions.

I say might because more likely they will just blame non-whites.

7603

I concede you might be right. I just think you might also be underestimating the pro-Brexit factions within the Tory party. I imagine the last thing Boris will want is further Tory infighting.

EDIT: … which is something that may happen if they see the new arrangement as a bad one.

7604

yep, that’s the line he’ll have to tread, that May had to straggle, that any Leave enactor will have to face: how big a brexit, without breaking things, and thusly snapping your hold on power, knowing full well the best outcome is not brexit at all but status quo? You can only give the electorate bread and circuses for so long.

7605

We’ll have to agree to disagree on that one :)

7606

Let’s talk again in a few years I guess. But the problem for Boris is that is doen’t help him if Brexit sees a powerful new British economy in fifteen years, once everything is stamped out (and despite all odds, finds the magic formula of trade adventurism), if he gets five hellish years or upheaval in the short term.

7607

Just to put into context how downright inane and stupid Boris and Gove’s claims/postulates that the UK and the EU will have a free trade agreement in place on January 1, 2021.

  • When Greenland left the EU in 1985 (yes - the original Greexit), it took 3 years to get a free trade agreement in place.
  • The EU’s trade agreement with Canada has taken 7 years.
  • The recent free trade agreement between the EU and Brazil+Argentine+Paraguay+Uruguay has taken 20 years.

By binding himself to pointless deadlines, Boris is at once both increasing the insecurities of the market + limiting his own maneuverability in the coming negotiations. It means that major, vital areas of the trade agreement will likely have to be jettisoned and ignored entirely - e.g., the access of the UK to the EU services market, will probably have to be ignored so London is screwed, as well as probably other industrial sectors who’ll get the shaft to land the deal. Either that, or the UK rolls over on most points, which will limit UK maneuverability vis a vis these other trade negotiations that are supposed to compensate for the loss of EU business.

All the professionals have left the building, and the UK is now down to amateurs negotiating the country’s future.

7608

Professionals built the Titanic, an amateur built the Ark, it’ll be fine…

For the people with money.

7609

Apparently a few weeks ago, a facebook group was begun, one called Fancy Getting “C*nts are Still Running The World” to UK Xmas #1?

The goal? Get former Pulp frontman Jarvis Cocker’s 2006 single of that name to the #1 spot on the charts for Christmas. Getting a Christmas #1 hit in the UK is something that is fairly prestigious and widely reported on around the country.

And yes, the title is deliberately offensive and provocative. So are the song lyrics. That’s just sort of Cocker’s thing. But now his label (Rough Trade) is fully behind the effort, as is Cocker himself, who has pledged to donate all proceeds from sales of the single during this week to the Shelter charity for the homeless in Britain.

As of December 16, “Running The World” (the more sanitized, label-friendly title of the song for iTunes and Spotify) is doing this:

Now it’s even higher, in the top 5 on UK iTunes, Spotify, and Amazon digital…

7610

I remember seeing a Children’s book with those as a kid that my mom gave to me. It was pretty awful though I didn’t understand the racism at the time.

7611

Heh - “Love Actually” already did that plot. Can I jump across to that reality instead?

7612

Tony Blair’s speech on the future of the Labour Party and progressive politics.

7613

Of course the last act of these “socialists” was to loot the coffers of Labour and hand over hundreds of thousands of pounds to Corbyns scum advisors, the racists and hard left loons that ruined Labour.

From Reddit

What a dreadful, tone-deaf thing to do. HQ finance people are working out how costs can be reduced, and an HR office planning for lay-offs and redundancies, everyone stunned and demoralised by the GE defeat and fearful for their own futures. And then the call comes from LOTO’s office. £250k pa is to be set aside to fund immediate permanent contracts for Jeremy’s special friends.

Perhaps someone protested that this would mean sacking an additional 4 or 5 (less special) staff. Perhaps they were brave enough to point out that Milne and Murphy were particularly unlikely to be required by the next leader, and therefore issuing permanent contracts at this point defied all logic. If so their advice was brushed aside, and perhaps they were added to the list for their disloyalty.

This is a sad testimony to how Corbyn changed after becoming leader. A man who was famous for his transparency, moral rectitude and commitment to fairness, has become secretive, autocratic and corrupted. " Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man’s character, give him power" - Abraham Lincoln

7614

Yeah, the EU is totally gonna blink. Hold your breath until that happens, please.

7615

Also, yeah, it’s been totally the EU “running down the clock” on the UK. Instead of, you know, certain articles being triggered without there being any prep work in place at all. Yep.