draxen
7859
I would bet real money that you’re wrong. Despite the noise from the SNP leaving the Union is still not popular enough to force secession. Support is bolstered by Remain supporters and I expect that to lessen once the Brexit turmoil is over.
CraigM
7860
This seems 180° from how I would expect that to occur.
People who are remain I would imagine are more likely to favor independence after Brexit in fact, not less.
jpinard
7861
You’re insane if you think a US trade deal is going to make the UK stronger. The U.S. is going to gut you. You’re already losing all your bargaining power with the pharma firms.
I’m not a betting person, otherwise I’d take you up on that.
Your entire argument is predicated on Brexit turmoil stopping soon. I know you expect it to (we’ve discussed this multiple times, after all), but I don’t see why you think it will. For one, negotiations are going to keep on dragging out for years - even if a quick deal is somehow reached in December, there will be tons of details that will have to be left to iron out later. Secondly - as I’ve commented before without you ever arguing to refute the point - there are way too many people in the media and politics who benefit from keeping Brexit turmoil alive in the UK.
It will be dragged out every single time something happens in your country for the next many years. Coronavirus strikes the continent but fortunately bypasses the UK? Oh - look how Brexit saved us. Coronavirus strikes the UK badly? Oh - if we had just been in EU, we could have worked more closely together to limit it. Non-stop.
But I do agree that secession is not popular enough - yet. Which is why Nicola Sturgeon loves Boris keeping on denying her the referendum. That’s kind of the point.
I don’t want Scotland to go away.
On the other hand I do like, on principle, almost anything that makes Boris squirm.
draxen
7864
I’ll bet you 10 QT3 bucks. It’s like crypto currency but not shit.
Hopefully we’re all still around in 10 years for me to collect :)
What are we betting on exactly, and how do we measure it?
When one bets on a football match, there are only 3 results, win, lose or draw.
We’ll techniclaly match could be cancelled I suppose…
Anyway,
Are we betting that
Scotland becomes independent?
Scotland gets a referendum?
None if this is a fucking game
Did I say it was?
I’m asking for. Clarity from @draxen as he said he’d put money on “it.”
So what is “it” exactly?
draxen
7868
Oh, that Scotland won’t leave the United Kingdom.
EDIT: in the next 10 years
spiffy
7869
There’s no way Brexit tumoil goes away for at least a decade. Again, most Brexiteers think we’ve gone and done it. All effects and situations done with and dealt. Bring on the great times.
In actual fact, we’re still talking about an impending Hard Brexit. That same goddamn nuke that could split the economy open, that Brexiteers think is a pretty fireworks display. One thing or another will start smacking people in the face, and every time it does, someone will say, “Brexit. Told you. Brexit.”
Oh I don’t think it will either in the next ten years.
I think what will happen is a slow burner anti Union media campaign for a very long time.
A bit like the media EU bashing over the last 40 years.
Anything bad done in Scotland will be blamed on Westminster.
Ignore some very real things like how Scotland is, as far as I know, a net drain on the UK (economically. Let’s be clear I don’t consider them parasites or anything. By virtue of size England is a net contributor to the UK. I have a feeling that if one did it per person Scotland would come out ahead…?) and that alot of union funds have helped Scotland.
Basically, what the UK did to the EU, the lies and slander and deceptions and half truths etc, Scotland will do to us.
They’ll point at every single law that isn’t quite to their liking, blame it on Westminster.
Plus, there’s the very big issue pending regarding fisheries, which affects Scotland disproportionately.
Compromises there, which I think are inevitable, will fuel Scottish grievances.
Pretty much every region apart from London is a net drain.
The Trumpocracy in action. Mirroring both Trump’s administration and the NSDAP approach.
But unlike the jellyfish spined cowards in the White House press pool, our guys ain’t gonna go along with this shit. At least for now.
After one of Boris Johnson’s most senior advisers, Lee Cain, told the banned reporters they must leave the building, the rest of the journalists decided to walk out rather than allow Downing Street to choose who scrutinises and reports on the government.
Among those who refused the briefing and walked out included the BBC’s Laura Kuenssberg, ITV’s Robert Peston and political journalists from the Daily Mail, Telegraph, the Sun, Financial Times, and Guardian.
I would dearly love to see Scotland, Wales and Ireland all leave the UK. Tell Boris and England to go fuck themselves.
In the next 10 years? Hard to say. Depends on just how much damage Brexit ends up doing, and how the EU deals with Ireland and Scotland.
@draxen may be right though, in that people might just adjust to the new status quo especially if there isn’t any mad disaster that can be directly attributed to brexit.
This is actually heart warming.
The type of scum empowered by our racist society
Reality, meet jingoistic nationalism.
41% of Brexiters can’t even listen to a foreign language being spoken within earshot without feeling hate.
The wording was ‘bothered’ in the survey.
That’s bad enough; you don’t need to exaggerate it.
It’s hate, of course it’s hate. “bothered” is just whitewashing it so the bigots feel more comfortable.
That poster above about people having to speak English wasn’t a Bother Crime. it’s a Hate Crime.
