You might not find many people in this thread who agree.
Also kind of ironic to cite a criticism that it gives small parties the balance of power after the last couple of years (not to mention that Blair’s comments came after yet another minority government propped up by Unionists).
magnet
7900
I know, just a random person in Twitter. But it does not seem to be an isolated example.
kedaha
7901
FPTP doesn’t work well for you because FPTP is horrendously disproportionate. Tony Blair, David Cameron and WC can have said whatever they want - it’s irrelevant because data shows that FPTP results in parliaments that are far less representative of voters’ wishes than PR-STV (or pretty much any other system).
An opinion isn’t valid just because you have one, it’s valid because available empirical evidence supports it. There’s a reason there are only 3 first world countries that use FPTP and all suffer from polarised elections with an inability to govern with consensus.
In PR every single vote counts, while in FPTP the losing votes in each district get discarded.
If we define democracy as every voter being equally important then PR seems more democratic to me.
Also, in your “benefit statement” I think you are describing decisive government rather than (un)democratic Government.
At which point Autocratic government wins the argument since it does not have to care about citizen pushback at all (Ref China building airports quickly but also ignoring rampant industrial pollution).
spiffy
7903
Whatever, if the last general election had resulted in a split parliament and had hindered Brexit in any way Draxen would somehow be lamenting about how the system had denied democracy; it’s always the shoe on the other foot. Imagine how his head would be exploding it FPTP had let LibDems in and let them rescind Brexit entirely.
FPTP has completely fucked US and UK politics. Look at the internal shenanigans in parties as they try and cater for the entire left/right spectrum or takeovers of parties by far right/far left elements, and now we see the US and UK as close they have been to civil war since the last civil wars due to Trump and Brexit and polarisation. A country where half would happily see the other half fucking dead is an acceptable political system that he needs to argue for? A system where a fringe can takeover one of two parties and remove any option to vote for? Bullshit. Draxen is just trolling. Just like his Trump equivalents do in the other threads.
draxen
7905
I really dislike it when people try to put words in my mouth. I’m perfectly capable of stating my own opinions thank you very much. My opinion on FPTP vs PR doesn’t relate to Brexit or the Tories. It’s a completely non-partisan issue.
draxen
7906
To further clarify I was referring to the UK implementation of FPTP. Where the policy direction is a shared by the party and where the Prime Minister is empowered (or removed) by the party. Not an autocratic government.
It’s still a system where (theoritcally) up to 100 - 100.01/(number of parties)% of the votes can get 0 representation.
That’s broken as hell by design. Indefensible under any pretense of democracy.
PR system can have scenarios where representation is not perfect, but nothing as blatant as FPTP.
kedaha
7908
Northern Ireland Assembly election using multi-seat constituencies & PR-STV
Northern Ireland UK General Election using FPTP
“FPTP works pretty well”
The UK would be a better place if the Greens held 15% of seats in parliament for the last few decades/
Remember Johnson just spouting stupid crazy bullshit about a bridge between Ireland and the mainland? The one that engineers and architects scoffed at and said would be impossible or astronomically expensive?
Now they are wasting money on a report scoping it out. Pathetic, useless grandstanding for his idiot voters and supporters. Just like his stupid airport on the Thames idea and his stupid garden bridge. Guess what all had in common? The people paid to scope it out where Johnsons close friends and made millions from it.
Enidigm
7911
Lol. The longest bridge in the world across the ocean is about 20 miles long.
The deepest part in Hanzhou Bay that it traverses is about 25 feet deep.
The first direct path east of Belfast near Donaghadee crosses a trench over 800 feet deep and is 20 miles long.
The second path further north between Ballyvoy and Cushendun is shorter but also crosses the same trench, although is perhaps a bit narrow and slightly less deep at around 460 feet +/-.
Of course on the Scotland side you have to deal with a 1000 foot elevation change around the cliffs of Beinn na Lice.
You could actually go to and from the Isle of Man, ostensibly because it crosses “only” around 300 feet deep water at places. You’re just going to need 45 miles of bridge to do it.
Maybe they can get it built in time for the independence referendums? It would be great for Scotland to have a land bridge to the rest of the EU
antlers
7913
That’s nothing compared to the California governor building this
The trench that is full of unexploded ordance, chemical weapons and nuclear waste?
Bridges, Walls, whats the difference. It’s fodder for the morons, fuckwits, dipshits and fools that make up over half of our voters to ruminate over.
None
7915
You guys should build a monorail.
I imagine the currents in Hanzhou Bay are pretty damn tame in comparison, too.
You guys don’t believe in Brexit, don’t believe in the Bridge, bloody hell, you never let Britain do anything cool!
Timex
7918
Just chunnel that shit, yo.
