How much extra is it?

I would have thought the real hassle is having to pay extra when it is delivered, as happened to me a few times when I was in Gran Canaria. Some books arrived, and to get them I had to pay the tax right there and then. £80 of books and £50 taxes :O…

but then I ordered a very large wide screen monitor that cost me some £500 iirc, no taxes there…very random how and when you get import taxes in GC it seems.

If it’s anything like in Portugal it’s pretty much luck of the draw, back when I bought stuff from Amazon / Ebay, sometimes it cleared ok without any taxes, other times it had weird taxes because who the hell knows what the tax is on Wizkids plastic miniatures bought from some seller in Texas.

Well, when ordering within the EU there are no import duties, so that has always been awesome. Living in Norway, as I do, we have a max sum that we can trade on. Fortunately not on books (they’re toll free, so that is no concern), but anything else is liable to be hit with fees. And the worst part is not even the fees - I’ve had the situation you’ve described above: £50 board game (I think it was - the toll free limit was lower then): £25 import duties and £55 toll processing fee or something like that. Gah!!!

And Amazon always label their packages accurately (of course), so at least here everything is 100% certain to be caught in the post.

Been burned enough times by this, that it’s not even something I’ll spend five seconds on considering - co.uk is definitely out as a possible sales site for me from now on. Annoying, but I hope that they soon set up an english speaking .eu site, or add the .no site they’ve been teasing us with in Scandinavia.

I’ve done the same for years from the states. I imported a couple of internet music streamers from the US, when it was still state of art and not available in the UK. At the time it’s fine as you know what you’re going to get hit for though HRMC doesn’t make it very simple. Ended up making a call to pay charges before delivery.

I also imported R1 DVDs when they had a far better range it was standard to import. Most of the time it was under the £18 limit but if it drifted above the limit it as suddenly very expensive.

I think the shock makes it get worse. People will get used to it but it will make people think differently.

We’ve just imported a coat rack from Denmark directly from the manufacturer. It’s not available on the UK. Before Brexit would do it with our a 2nd thought. After Brexit I might have second thoughts and the manufacturer may not even be willing to sell it to me.

I’m about to buy a Prusa i3 3D printer from the Czech Republic. Currently I can’t even place an order. They won’t sell to the UK. The EU or US though are fine.

Stolen from reddit:

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They want their cake, and your cake, and everybody’s cake. Sheesh.

I don’t wanna laugh because this is hurting people but I wanna laugh because IDIOTS VOTED FOR THIS but it’s hurting people but IDIOTS but…

This encapsulates the entirety of Brexit for most of us who live in Europe, and won’t have our livelihoods much affected by this.

Yes, I can only imagine looking across that small channel to your once brothers and sisters in Europe and just doing a facepalm.

This was in my sub tonight.

Do not buy reverb g2 from Germany. Got charged 165 pounds extra to get it into the UK. I can’t belive it

But can you feel that sweet sweet sovereignty?

I feel alot poorer. Covid and brexit is like having 2 assholes at your birthday party

I mean, that was a pretty dumb move to begin with. For a start, there’s a UK reseller.

I’m wondering about packages moving from outside the Eu, through the Eu. I have one from China en route, that was using the “EU 10-14 day” shipping. It’s now in norway, we’ll see if it gets hit with import duty. Hope not, ordering direct from China for certain exclusive collectibles is about the only way to do it.

Shipping via EU (well, EEA for Norway) shouldn’t matter, it’s the entities doing the exporting/importing that matters. At the moment the tariffs between China/EU and China/UK are the same, I think.

But it will depend on where you actually bought it from and whether there are intermediate sales involved.

Disclosure: I am not a excise tax expert, or even a dilletante.

So who would have known this would happen…

Well that’s effecting a decent cohort of the remaining Tory voters in Scotland. My assumption would they’d also be no voters. I think the Conservative & Unionist party has just put another nail in the coffin of the union. The same goes for fishing captains.

Still a bit early to call, isn’t it?
I mean, people are still at the “WTF, this isn’t how stuff worked last month, I have to change how I do stuff” phase, it’s chickens running without a head.

Give it a few months and a clear picture will emerge, though I’m certain many farmers will be in the losers category.

I think you’re right in the ‘what is this paperwork’ category. Particularly consumers but business as well.

The problem appears to be to get to the we can have an agreement that HMG has accepted a load of restrictions. As it was all agreed last minute they haven’t communicated any real information apart from bleating ‘Get Ready’.

Businesses are now finding the issues and while not insurmountable they are significant. One of Boris’s stop offs during the election was Heck sausages. As things stand they can’t export as only frozen sausages may be exported. They will therefore need to buy plant, change to refrigerated lorry’s and change their whole process to export. That’s in addition to the paper work.

That’s not how it was sold. Back in 2016 nobody was saying you may have to change your business to cope with Brexit. It was going to be the easier deal, access to the single market was assured.

Since then we had the gnomic ‘Brexit is Brexit’ bollocks from Teresa and Bojo flannel claiming it’s the best deal and everybody said I couldn’t do it. I am having my cake and eating it.

The truth is he was willing to pretty much anything to get a deal. That includes excluding the majority of the UK economy, services. He thinks he’s a modern day Churchill. In actual fact he’s a shit Chamberlain. He did get his piece of paper though.

The problem is that it’s been easy to export to Europe and that’s been many businesses experience. That hasn’t stopped other businesses going after and chasing foreign markets. If you’re a business that’s been exporting to China say. The paperwork and rules will be familiar and expected. What we’ve done is just made our biggest market equally problematic.

Ian ‘Slaphead’Smith saying ‘bucaneer, trade and dominate the world’ suggests that something had changed. It hasn’t, those opportunities have always been there but there’s also been easy access to our biggest market. It’s like deciding to dig out the shallow end of the learners pool as nobody is using the deep-end. What you needed was better teaching not throwing in people to drown.

It’s the same with individuals. If you’d retired to Canada or Thailand you expected paperwork and issues. If you’d retired to Spain it was all very easy.

These were never accepted by the Leave side and when Remain mentioned it was all ‘Project Fear’. The question will be whether people just tut and accept it or it causes more issues in the longer term.

I like this.

I dislike any comparison to Churchill or Chamberlain. If you’re Churchill or Chamberlain then the people you’re dealing with are what?

But ok, the British do like their historical figures.

Firstly let me say that if this offended you in any way please let me unreservedly apologise.

Many of my best friends are European and if my wife would let me I would be using a civil partnership with one of them to retain EU citizenship. Frankly, the best thing English (and the British) has is the quality of its neighbours.

To understand why I made the comparison though it makes sense you look into the English psyche…

Churchill is seen as the ‘greatest ever Englishman’ by many and that’s been proven in general popularity votes. It’s not universal and many, particularly on the left would point out of many of his failings for example the Indian famine. The mainstream ‘man on the Clapham omnibus’ though wouldn’t even be aware.

There is a wide view of English society that loves to think about WWII as some golden uplands of coming together and standing alone. I think that is fairly common and comes from media, film and education. It’s also seen as being the British that did this.

You’d be pushed to take anybody away from a view that the Blitz was all sing songs in the shelter and doing the Lambeth walk. You’d not be able to point out that the death, destruction and the criminal run black markets that the people were forced to suffer.

Unfortunately, there’s also a view that ‘we did it alone’. ‘The Yanks were late’ and it was all down to us. Understanding of any other countries involvement, of the Indian army, Caribbean soldiers, the free french, Poles etc. is usually not there.

I’ll give an example…The first is that understanding around the Battle of Britain. There were around 15 nationalities that weren’t British involved. As a kid I used to go into the mess of the polish pilots that flew in WWII that settled here. The standard English understanding would be that they were mostly from the home counties with a few Scots possibly.

I should also say that they’ll also invoke Bletchly Park but not understand the debt owed to the polish originally capturing an Engima machine and cracking the code.

All of this nonsense has been invoked as part of Brexit. It has been pulled on to say it will be marvellous. It’s been invoked by people that weren’t alive during WWII and sold to people none of whom were adults during WWII.

Boris is trying to invoke Churchill (with minor echoes of WWII) to play to this. I was making a point that he’s not and Chamberlain. is just somebody who would be seen as a failure in that context.

I’m sure there’s a few frothing at the mouth idiots that would invoke Nazis when mentioning the EU but that’s because they are morons and racists. They loose immediately due to Godwins law.

The main focus here is the British (and particularly the English). The Brexiters have fallen for their own untrue fables. Nobody else matters to them. and WWII is a point it time.

The British as are like some drunk past it jock at the end of the bar in an American movie who lives for the rest of their life through winning the state championship in High School. It’s the last time they felt important and comfortable and they constantly hark back to it.

Meanwhile, the nerd has gone out and made friends and moved on to more successes and doesn’t haven’t to look backwards.

I so wish we a nerd of a country like the most of Europe.