jpinard
8911
The way things are going Britain is looking more like Yugoslavia sans violence, pre-breakup. They’re 80% what they were a year ago and it will continue to plummet.
Unreal how stupid and ignorant people like that are.
Think I’m going to mute this thread for a year or so. The hyperbolic hot takes and constant calling out of our one Brexit proponent to explain himself and answer for every unsavory Brexit voter are getting really tiresome.
Banjax
8913
Enjoy the silence.
I wasn’t asking for a justification, just asking him to stop his denial they nobody did.
Menzo
8914
I think you are imagining a thing that is not actually happening. I mean it probably happens a little, but it’s not pervasive.
But you do you. This is a message board where we discuss various topics. If you don’t like this subject, don’t follow it.
And I wasn’t referring to you with that remark and didn’t mean to cause offense.
Sure, but while there is occasionally some meaningful discussion, it just as often devolves to labeling every Brexit voter a xenophobic racist who longs for the days of an empire in which the sun never sets. Just because we can dig up an example of such a person doesn’t mean we need to tar half the country with the same brush. Look, I think Brexit is a bad decision overall, I think the campaign was dishonest and xenophobic and I believe Johnson is an incompetent entitled buffoon. And yet I still believe that it’s perfectly legitimate to be critical of the EU and no longer wanting to be part of it. Heck, the current EU vaccination disaster must feel like sweet validation to some.
I do also anticipate that the Brexit will be detrimental to the UK economy, but we are just two months in during an unprecedented pandemic and it’s just impossible to judge any long term outcomes. And seriously, comparing Britain to pre break up Yugoslavia is just insulting to the memory of all those that suffered and died during that period, which included actual genocide right in Europe.
If I was British I’d be pissed as well and I have utmost sympathy for the frustration and anger. But I have lost my patience with turning this issue conveniently black and white, where one side is only acting out of the most despicable motives.
Menzo
8916
OK man, not sure who you’re trying to convince, us or yourself.
If you want to mute the topic, go for it. Sounds like you need a break.
I was merely explaining myself and have muted this topic for the time being.
Aceris
8919
Emphasis in below quotes is mine.
sigh.
Aceris
8920
I do wonder why things look like that to you.
Obviously brexit is going to hurt economically, but things are still, fundamentally, ok. Even with brexit and a global pandemic.
I am surprised by how resilient things are, actually.
jpinard
8921
In regards to Yugoslavia splitting up into constituent parts. No one seems happy. Not Scotland, Northern Ireland, and not even Wales.
Actual violence driven by independence movements, that killed a great number of people, was common in the UK for years. The UK might break up, but that’s hardly a new observation. And it seemed a lot more pertinent when bombs were going off.
Don’t know that I’d put a figure on it, but that Britain is plummeting seems incontrovertible. Quite apart from the regular “I voted for Brexit, but I didn’t realize it would cost me my business” stories, there’s also assessments like the following (posted by jpinard before):
Personally, I found that article kind of shocking, because although I am not surprised to see Brexit having a large cost, I’d have thought it would take a bit longer for the consequences to be that drastic. But then, of course, it is easy to forget that Brexit actually happened four years ago, and that businesses have been reacitng ever since (financial services moving, big organizations retooling their supply lines, etc). Either way, this is only going to become more and more noticeable.
Somewhat morbidly, Covid-19 is a boon for BJ, because it allows him to point at the virus and blame many of the problems that people will face (unemployments, etc) on that.
jpinard
8925
Brexit is going to end up being a great jobs program for the EU.
Really?
“The closure of the site, which had suffered clutches of jobs losses in recent years as McBride battles tough trading conditions…”
"And while in-Cumbria understands Brexit was not, directly, part of the reasoning behind the decision… "
The tweet is misleading BS frankly.
I mean, there’s also this quote:
All the company admits are “rough trading conditions” that will force moving work from the UK to France and Luxembourg. What those rough trading conditions might be is left as an exercise to the reader.
You obviously missed the part about job losses in recent years…you know, before Brexit. Or that Brexit was not directly responsible.
Of course Brexit was a consideration and may have been the nail in the coffin. But it appears to be not the major factor in this as the tweeter suggests, hence my comment.
Brexit may be the nail in the coffin for many marginal businesses, just like covid-19 has been. But not all the economic woes can be correctly attributed to it as many correspondents appear to want to do.
Perhaps.
But there doesn’t seem to be any economic good news about Brexit.
And the vaccine thing is yet to be judged.
I agree. But I get annoyed about people trying to shoehorn the cause of every bit of bad news into Brexit being the principal cause to fit their agenda. It’s lazy, disingenuous at best and dishonest at worst.
