The great irony being that darkies don;t come from Europe, and darkie immigration quotas are being stepped up to shore up the shortfall.
:D
30 to 50%, not all 17m, but a significant number of them.
Which is pretty similar to the number @playingwithknives poll showed:
So there’s some replication there. Different methologies adscribing a similar percentage of racism to the Brexit vote.
It is pretty easy. If you voted for Brexit, you are either racist or ignorant or a combination of both.
I believe it is possible to be xenophobic without being racist though it’s neither all that common nor really something worthy of much greater respect.
I’ve heard one good reason for voting Leave: altruism towards Europe. British politics mean Britain is an anchor holding back European integration. It may not be good for Britain itself to leave but it could well be a net positive for Europe in the long run to be rid of us.
On one side maybe. On the other side no. As Russian influence continues to flourish in Europe, especially Eastern Europe, if Britain got a decent deal on exit, it becomes that much easier for the Poland’s, Czech’s, and Hungary’s to leave and join a new Russia dominated block. Russia would gladly hurt its own people to throw money at those countries to bring them back into the fold. This is what concerns me, is a new Cold War 2.0 where Russia has learned from its past mistakes.
I’d argue that both come from the same root. Populism is just giving easy answers to complicated questions fed to people that are scared and fearful. I’m damn sure that many of the people that voted for Trump were more interested in the coal mine being reopened or their job coming from China.
That’s been an awful side effect of the referendum and I’m sorry you’ve had that experience.
I don’ t know if this is just my age showing and if that word has been reclaimed but that is the favourite epithet of the casually racist 70’s and puts in the same class the N word. Deeply, deeply offensive.
I think that you will find that a lot of the racists you’re talking about are stupid and didn’t understand either what the EU is or what would happen. They have another thing coming when we do a trade deal with India which is contingent on higher levels of visas being available.
But again not all.
There are people including some I have discussed Brexit with who would be happy to crash out with no deal as they’re keen to ‘get rid of government interference’ and see the EU as a socialist construct. They’d perfectly happy to see the welfare state, consumer protection and workers rights disappear as well and be a Singapore-a-like. I think this is at the heart of the Tory Brexiteers. They don’t care about the colour of your skin they just care whether they screw over the working class and if they have to go along with the frightful oik Farage to get it they don’t care. Totally morally bankrupt but not necessarily racist.
On the other extreme, I’ve also had the EU described to me as ‘Facist construct’ and stopping Magic Grandpa from turning us into a marvellous Socialist Utopia.
Oh, that’s exactly why I use it. It’s a word from my childhood, the type of thing I would be called in the 70s, not the Americanised slurs of today, the N word and Muslim-based slurs, but the British slurs rooted in Empire, darkies, spearchukkers, jungle bunnies, piccaninnies and what have you. It’s not just to represent a racist attitude, but the colonialist/imperialist throwback racist who dominate the Brexiters. Jingoistic, overly nationalist, constant references to the war, to Empire. Modern day Colonel Blimps. Incidentally Colonel Blimp, the red faced angry, xenophobic jingoistic Imperial colonel is the perfect example of how their archetype have never left us, as it invokes the current nickname for Brexiters of “gammons”. Brexit is also about loss of empire, and the heartbreak the ruling whites have over the lack of any dominance over “their lessers”. All of this has swum up from the depths of the Britsh psyche to dominate society once again.
That’s been an awful side effect of the referendum and I’m sorry you’ve had that experience.
The referendum was Boris promising to protect Brits from Turks (and a quick google of his granny will show this is someone without ethics or morals) or Farage standing in front of pictures of refugees promising he would stop the Muslim Invasion so I’d replace “side effect” with “the goal of Leave”.
On the other extreme, I’ve also had the EU described to me as ‘Facist construct’ and stopping Magic Grandpa from turning us into a marvellous Socialist Utopia.
Lexiters will never put the racist Brexit genie back in the lamp. No matter how hard they try. Especially if they try and insert some dogwhistle references to immigration and “traditional working class*” jobs in their speeches.
A unbelieveablely small percentage voted for Lexit, with the only campaigning for it done by the Communist Party of Britain, the Communist Party of Great Britain-Marxist Leninist, Socialist Worker Party and the some less known weirdos and cranks in Left Unity. Those trying to attach this irrelevant hard left fringe to the actual reasons behind the referendum vote are away with the fairies. Of course, you know who the only mainstream politicians to be Lexiters (and since the 80s) are, so no wonder the cult are now trying to make this reality.
*hint: “traditional”, as in “traditional marriage” and “traditional gender roles” when used with references to class is only meant to represent one thing.
Oh, and are this threads American readers aware of what happened to UKIP, the party of Nigel Farage and the party of Brexit?
Or should I say the former party of Nigel Farage?
Well, they got taken over by get this… a joint venture between PrisonPlanet, Gamergate and other alt right figures, and the British neonazis, nationalists and professional racists centred around Tommy Robinson
They were changing leaders every few weeks, with a succession of ever more comically hopeless loons and racists as leader until the latest bloke won, and he brought in PJW and Carl of Swindon/Sargon of Akkad, the racist Youtuber who taught his pug to give nazi salutes, and the EDL/BNP diehards around Tommy Robinson and now the party are an openly ethno-nationalist white supremacist party.
Crypto-racists like Farage have media based incomes depending on them not quite being openly Nazi, so once he realised that actually, the entire existing memberbase doesnt have a problem with this, they were actually super-sekrit Nazis all along and this was the new face and direction of UKIP now, he had to quit.
Yea that’s kinda like Rudolf Hess acting all surprised at where Nazism ultimately went.
Farage was caught marching and singing the Horst Wessel song in his youth if you want another connection to Hess. He’s always been a racist, he’s just clever enough to only engage in dogwhistle racism in recent years though.
Wait, isn’t Jeremy Corbyn pro-Brexit? I don’t know if he campaigned for it, but it seems to me that some of the blame for Brexit can be laid at the feet of leftists unwilling to oppose it.
He spent decades opposing EU, a few weeks campaigning for Remain, a month on holiday, a few more weeks campaigning for it, entered a voting booth and did… something. Insisted government invoke Article 50 the day after the ref and has more or less been aligned with hard no deal Brexit and/or spending a few years dodging any serious questions. The true answer I guess is… “dunno”. The one only verified fact is that on Brexit, the government doesnt have an opposition, at least Opposition with a capital O.
edit: oh Lexit is so niche I’m not sure how much blame is with the hard left on this. The left itself, i.e the voterbase and memberbase is gloriously pro-EU. Labour is like 60% Remain right now. People keep dropping pollings from Labour voters in Islington in Corbyn’s lap and they must be putting the shitters up him.
Corbyn’s “Look!!! behind you!!! [/runs]” tactics will really tread a fine line if we have a General Election because 80% pro-EU Islington is not an constituency where he can push for no referendum hard no deal Brexit the noisy cranks keep insisting The People want.
/makes long whistling sound
Hold on tight its Mr Bones Wild Ride and no ones getting off.
Wait, does this mean there will be ANOTHER no confidence vote?
Yes, but instead of a private internal Tory vote, its a Parliamentary vote and gigantic shit flinging contest.
Oh shitsnacks.
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You’re being the one study guy. Any serious scientific question has a literature, and in general if you want to know what the actual scientific view on the subject is you need some kind of sampling or overview. And almost every open scientific question is disputed, so you don’t know the strength of a claim unless you’ve researched the opposing view. All you’ve done is found the one study with the conclusions you want and some nice incendiary quotes to copy-paste. And in this case it’s one from a low-impact online-only journal. One day I actually hope that all science is done the online open-source way. Until that revolution happens, that makes it the kind of study that couldn’t get published in any of the journals with reputation and impact that university libraries actually buy.
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Social Psychology absolutely has well-documented problems with reproducibility, bias (the vast number of practitioners come from one side of the political spectrum - attested to in the peer-reviewed literature, not my own assertion) and outright academic fraud.
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You can see the motivated reasoning in the terms of art used in that paper. We don’t measure “authoritarianism”, only “right-wing authoritarianism”. We ask a bunch of questions about “my national group” but then use them to rate people on their “Collective Narcissism”. (What a surprise that this shifts the statistical results away from national identity towards the new category with the not at all prejudicial namel). All munged through some super-complicated (and therefore unintelligible) statistical process but based on a sample size that opinion pollsters would laugh at.
It’s bollocks. And relying on it just boils down to an appeal to authority as an alternative to making an argument.
I’m pretty sure that most people who’ve lived through or followed this long process recognises the positions those sentences point to. Perhaps you might consider that you don’t know enough of the context, rather than assuming that they’re meaningless?
So back to my example, what you’re saying is that that Mexican isn’t allowed to reject the offer to join the United States, because he sees himself as Mexican not American. He’s not permitted to enjoy his sense of who he is and reject an external attempt to change it, because only racists do that.
This is so obviously untrue. A shared language, a shared history, shared entertainment media, shared education and a whole shared set of ideas about what an American is. The differences you’re implying are tiny compared to the difference between Britishness and Germanness, or Germanness and Greekness. And as I implied in my previous example about Germans and Greeks, the clearest indicators of a shared sense of identity are the ones that happen when shared identity become expensive. Large expenditures on transfer payments to poorer areas and disaster relief are routine and largely uncontroversial (with exceptions) in the US.
Yes, there was quite a lot of nasty, dishonest populist rhetoric during the campaign. I’m not sure how that’s relevant to the argument, though.