I disagree with most of the things that Corbyn says or does, but it is quite clear that there is and has been a concerted media campaign to undermine and damage him since it became clear he was a potential leader of the Labour party.
It has only increased since, and it seems that the less of an effect the thoroughly unpleasant media spin has on his actions and popularity, the more vituperative and incredible the media smearing becomes.
I think he’s the wrong leader for labour, and not a particularly good leader in general, I still find it frightening and disquieting.
Yah. Even if he was actually good there would be no way for anyone looking for unbiased reporting to tell because he is unceasingly attacked by all media and all parties. Even the Guardian, which I think isn’t Blairite to speak of, doesn’t much like Corbyn, while just as you say the BBC’s treatment of him has been disgusting.
It’s only in recent years that I’ve taken more of an active interest in politics but that has pretty much been my reading of Corbyn too, and I find it disgusting quite frankly.
@kedaha, what’s your beef with Corbyn out of curiosity? Why is he the wrong leader? I’m sure the guy’s not perfect but he’s about as close to the sort of leader I’d honestly want as any of the others I’ve seen over the years. The last thing I want right now is another slick suit spewing empty soundbites. Actually, the last thing I want right now is Angela Eagle. All I see in Corbyn is what spiffy said, “reasonable, soft spoken, well mannered, realistic pragmatic man who knows his shit and pushes a very standard labour-friendly socialist agenda”, I might add that he seems principled too and he’s certainly not weak-willed either compared to the lily-livered leavers backing out of the Brexit mess. Am I missing something here? And more pertinently, who’s the alternative?
I’ve warning people about Corbyn since before his election as leader, just search QT3.
“Media conspiracy” is just laughable, post-factual gibberish that ignores decades of evidence of his hard left, virulently anti-British, anti-West stance, his Iranian paymasters, his IRA links, his anti-Semitism etc.
The entire “conspiracy” defence is equally unpleasant and originates in the anti-Semitism of his core STWC associates and supporters.
Name a policy? Actual policies, not slogans rolled out in speeches to a room full of supporters (Corbyn is incapable of dialogue with people who oppose his views, and wont even meet Tom Watson alone).
His economic policy team, lead by Thomas Piketty resigned after Brexit, citing Corbyns poor support for the Remain campaign. Danny Blanchflower has since confirmed Corbyn does not have any economic policies at all.
The only policies we have on record are
Labour needs to move away from concept of being a Parliamentary Political Party and more of a support group for victims of the Tories (Paul Mason)
It’s not about winning only the “elite” care about winning (Jon Lansman)
Labour needs to become a social movement (James Schneider)
The other suggestions will be to crowd source policies from his fan base. So, Labour will be adopting concepts from the SWP entryists such as “No Borders”, a sure fire vote winner in a country with 17,000,000 xenophobes voting for Brexit, none of whom will be voting for the concept of removing all forms of customs and immigration checks.
We need a central progressive left party. A party that will support NHS, social services, the welfare state and public services and can win an election, and guess what, you need to compromise, and you need leadership that can reach out and work with all sides, and unify many different causes.
This is not the act of a “progressive” movement. This is just the same thuggery that Corbyns core associates like Militant and SWP have always brought to the table.
How am I supposed to answer this if you’re counting these:
…as ‘policies’? And without linking to anything.
From my understanding of where Corbyn stands on austerity, Trident, nationalisation of transport, education and utilities, investment in social housing and transport, equality, fracking, taxation, tax avoidance and evasion, TTIP, the NHS, (even royalty!) etc. and coupled with the things I quoted from spiffy above, I’m inclined to believe they’ll lead to better policies. Just to be clear, I don’t agree with him on everything though.
But that’s what Corbyn supports. That’s why he ended up leader in the first place. The question is how much do you compromise to unite the party before the party cease to be an actual opposition? All I’m seeing is a bunch of resistant and destructive Labour MPs throwing their toys out the pram. They need to change; look at Scotland, look at the last 7 years. Who are the alternatives to Corbyn to lead that charge?
I’m not entirely sure what that last link is trying to prove other than: there are some awful people out there.
As I’ve said before here, my understanding is always work in progress and I’m always interested in hearing other people’s perspectives provided they’re backed up somewhat.
Let me get this straight: you’re saying that Corbyn is an anti-semitic communist IRA sympathizer, propped up by ayatollah khomeini, but the crazy conspiracy theory is the idea that there’s a concerted campaign against him in the media?
All my comments on Corbyn are backed with evidence.
He has been a rebel backbencher for decades you know, and we live in the information age.
All his associates, his allies, hid speeches, the work in STWC, his job for Press TV, his hosting of Holocaust deniers at the House of Commons, his association with the IRA etc etc etc are a matter of public record.
I’m not demonstrating willful blindness, but perhaps a general ignorance of conditions in the British Labour Party. I haven’t seen any of the evidence you claim to have posted, except for the news article and a blog post about intimidation in regard to the recent NEC vote, you posted a little while ago (and both of which strike me as rather one-sided).
Anyway, I don’t know much about Corbyn or his policies, and to be honest, I don’t really care that much, but the Labour Party has certainly swung pretty far to the right in recent decades, which is also true for many of Europe’s social democratic parties, so I personally don’t see why getting a left-wing leader should be such a big problem. In fact, I think there could be a case that the party leadership has become increasingly detached from it’s traditional voter base, that the election of Corbyn is a reaction to that, and that the old guard of the party leadership is now doing everything it can to discredit Corbyn, so they can get back to business as usual. Maybe I’m way off base here, so feel free to correct me if you think so.
That’s the way I read it too, Nikolaj. And the fact that the media continually slams Corbyn for ‘lackluster leadership’, and not all those ‘irrefutable’ facts, tells me they’re probably not that.
Yeah, if pwk’s points about Corbyn being an Iranian agent and all that seeming fantasy stuff had any real basis you’d think everyone from the BBC to the Conservatives to Angela Eagle would use them. But no one ever does. Instead they point at his divisive leadership skills and unwillingness to conform his policy to that of his party’s reactionary right-wing, which last seems to me to be a good thing.
It’s clear there is a real issue for Corbyn with antisemitism. He has at times worked with people who could legitimately be called antisemitic (and then repudiated them after the fact for the most part). If he harbored no such sentiments, then he was reckless in his associations and tardy in his reaction to the charges. But I think a fair share of this particular smear can be attributed to him being strongly against recent Israeli government policies. Pro-Netanyahu people always call any criticism of their fascism anti-semitic, and they even apply that tag to liberal Jews who oppose their oppression of Palestinians and Israeli arabs.
Agent? How does doing a show for Press TV make him an agent? He did the show and was paid £20,000 for doing so. Its on Youtube. go watch it. Be sure to note the bits where he ignores anti-Semitic remarks from his callers.
Opponents of the West are embraced as allies by Corbyn, and their wars of aggression and genocide ignored or indirectly supported.The IRA, Chavez, Argentina, Putin, Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, you name it, if they oppose us then he is their friend and ally, much like his good friend Galloway.
He flouts the rules, i.e the NECs announcement of suspension of meetings due to threats and intimidation were not only ignored, last night he proceeded to incite his followers to even further levels of abuse and harassment…
Some articles from Labour supporters/insiders
Thuggery from Corbyns supporters is out of control. A “progressive” party where the women are scared for their safety due to their own members?
Corbyn, McDonnell and the IRA
Yair Rosenbergs Corbyn infoposter.
As a backbench local MP for Islington, he would be expected to focus on his constituents and their problems and issues. This is from his website during the leadership fight (all articles were wiped on winning). His career as an MP summed up in a word.
Now here’s the thing. All of this is what backbench hard left MPs do.The likes of Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott, Flynn they all have histories of dodgy friends and alliances, shocking speeches and what have you.
If he wants to want to vote against his own sitting government 520 times he can do so, Labour will tolerate the hard left and the rebels, they represent a genuine part of the Left, but he cannot lead, and he cannot win. What leader inspires his co-workers to follow the whip when his entire career was dedicated to never following the whip, and consistently voting against his own government?
He dooms us to a generation of Tory government, A General Election will be entirely fought on the basis of his support for Islamists and assorted other terrorists, Argentina and the IRA. The British public will not vote for him. Polls have his ratings dropping through the floor on a daily basis. Even polls of unions show 60%+ favour his resignation. The country is crying for an opposition to the Tories and Brexit, and all we have in Labour in civil war with the leaders faction obsessed with one thing, Blair and Iraq.
If the public is crying out for a radical hard left party it would be best to start one, but not with by relying on the old hard left from the 80s. They arent progressive. Do all those holding SWP placards at Corbyn demonstrations know the history of the SWP and its rapist leadership? The kangaroo rape courts? The denial of rape, the harassment and intimidation of the rape victims? Its all a google search away.
Or how about the Socialist Party?
A “kindly, gentle man” does not watch all this going on, smile and insist that he is having the time of his life.
