Bringing new eyes to Old World

[Mark_Crump]

@minesweeper_expert

First, I’m playing on a 2020 iMac (27", pretty loaded except for the video card which is the standard choice). It runs a little choppy here. I significantly improved the performance by switching from “High” graphics quality to “medium”. (The default was high and I started playing with the defaults just to size it up).

About every 12 turns I am having slow-down issues, inspiring me to quit and restart the game. I’m not technical but maybe a memory leak or something?

This is the biggest thing preventing me from getting the game. I am also on a M1 and have heard multiple stories of performance issues on that chip.

[minesweeper_expert]

@Mark_Crump

This is the biggest thing preventing me from getting the game. I am also on a M1 and have heard multiple stories of performance issues on that chip.

I should have been more specific, I got the Intel iMac (10-core i9)…

[Mark_Crump]

Ah, ok. Although @wavey mentioned M1 issues.

[wavey]

Yep - it does work on my M1 MacBook, but runs as an Intel app and makes the machine very hot. There is a native M1 mode (or at least there was during early access) but I haven’t managed to get it working - details over here.

[Mark_Crump]

Yeah, saw that. I have an Air, which has no active cooling.

[Enidigm]

The game chugs a bit even on my gaming computer, just fyi. And my gaming laptop fans certainly spun up loud.

[Chappers]

@tomchick can you do some streaming of this soon with some Tomsplaining included?

@Jason_McMaster did a fine job last night on his stream, even showed how to build roads. If you could pick up the rest then that would be kindly appreciated.

[tomchick]

@Chappers

@tomchick can you do some streaming of this soon with some Tomsplaining included?

I was actually hoping to record narrated video of the forum game I’m starting. Sadly, I don’t think my voice is going to be able to hold up. I got about ten minutes into a video and it just got too uncomfortable. Which sucks, because I am champing at the bit to Tomsplain the hell out of this thing!

-Tom

[minesweeper_expert]

fwiw I am continuing to have slowdown issues, I guess after 30 minutes of play or so… it eventually gets so bad I have to quit the game and restart the Mac (I might be able to get away without the restart but the whole machine seems so stressed by Old World that it seems prudent to do so in order to get the best performance out of it).

this last time before quitting to desktop I alt-tabbed to Finder to see how the rest of the OS was running, and the whole computer is slowed down and barely usable while Old World is running in the background after its slow-down kicks in. Activity monitor showed Old World using 51% of CPU and 98.5% of GPU resources (even while running in the background). I have no idea what any of that means but just in case it helps Soren in any way…

I abandoned my first game because I was so outgunned by the Assyrians that it was hopeless, and they took my capital. Starting over as the Greeks again, really enjoying the gameplay in general.

[Mark_Crump]

@SorenJohnson Any update on an M1 Native version?

[minesweeper_expert]

Update on Mac performance: I have greatly increased the stability and frame rate by lowering the resolution to 3200x1800… in fact I turned the graphics options to HIGH at this resolution and it run pretty great. I had a few visual glitches appearing after a couple of hours of gameplay but other than that it seems fine.

[Enidigm]

So as i continue to play my impression is something like Old World is the Amarna Letters, the Game.

[Infested_terran]

Has anyone found a good tutorial video series for this yet?

Trying it out right now. I have little clue about anything, except orders which are straightforward enough.

It is supremely refreshing coming off of Civ 6 for movement to be so fluid. (did anybody like the Civ 6 movement system?)

The 4X portion is reminding me more of Endless Legend than Civ.

[TurinTur]

I’m having the feeling that Old World is one more game released on the Epic store where the 1.0 version is just 1.0 in theory, and in practice the real 1.0 version (with better documentation, tutorial, etc) will be when they release it on Steam several months after.

[Infested_terran]

I think it’s a UI issue more than anything.

Even if you’ve never played a Civ game before, you can hover over basic stuff like food, hammers, or beakers and immediately know what they do.

Old World you’ve got like 8 resources and I’m not sure what 6 of them do, even if I hover over them. Likewise I don’t know the full benefits of the different worker improvements, or the subsequent specialists. Building a specialist is -1 citizen? Okay??? What is that? Where? How many do I have? etc etc

[vyshka]

Perhaps these videos by @Velociryx. He is the person writing the manual.

[Piemax2]

These are great! Thanks for posting them and thanks @Velociryx for making them, they are very instructive.

[inactive_user]

@TurinTur

I’m having the feeling that Old World is one more game released on the Epic store where the 1.0 version is just 1.0 in theory, and in practice the real 1.0 version (with better documentation, tutorial, etc) will be when they release it on Steam several months after.

I think your feeling is mistaken.

Are there documentation gaps and some UX bumps that Mohawk is working on addressing? Sure. But unless your bar for “proper 1.0” or whatever is “a game that has achieved the perfect expression of its Platonic ideal and thus neither requires nor would benefit from further updates” I would absolutely argue that OW is very much deserving of “full release,” whatever that means these days.

[SadleyBradley]

@tomchick Can you do a game diary of New World and call it “Bringing Old Eyes to New World”? Thanks!

[inactive_user]

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