TORTURE UPDATE…Here’s the latest on the torture of prisoners in Iraq and Cuba:
According to FBI officials, the Bush order approved interrogation tactics that include “sleep deprivation and stress positions,” as well as “loud music, interrogators yelling at subjects and prisoners with hoods on their heads.”
What’s that, you say? This doesn’t sound all that horrible? Keep reading:
In a June “Urgent Report” to the FBI director from the Sacramento field office, for example, a supervising special agent described abuses such as “strangulation, beatings, placement of lit cigarettes into the detainees’ ear openings and unauthorized interrogations.”
…In June, for instance, an agent from the Washington field office reported that an Abu Ghraib detainee was “cuffed” and placed into a position the military called “The Scorpion” hold. Then, according to what the prisoner told the FBI, he was doused with cold water, dropped onto barbed wire, dragged by his feet and punched in the stomach.
…Another agent reported this past August that while in Cuba he often saw detainees chained hand and foot in a fetal position on the floor “with no chair, food or water.”
“Most times they had urinated or defecated on themselves, and had been left for 18-24 hours or more,” the agent wrote.
Sometimes, he reported, the room was chilled to where a “barefooted detainee was shaking with cold.” Other times, the air-conditioning was turned off and the temperature in the unventilated room rose to well over 100 degrees.
We’re really setting a good example in the war of civilizations, aren’t we? I mean, are these guys trying to help Osama’s recruiting efforts, or what?
That stupid fucking fascist is going to get us all killed.
A prisoner doesn’t have to undergo excruciating pain to be considered a victim of torture, the Justice Department (news - web sites) now says. But it’s not clear whether this revised, broader definition of torture will change the treatment of foreign detainees.
So is torture now something we can call very naughty again? Are all the principled defenses of “beating the crap out of them isn’t torture” non-operative?
Well there were certainly alot of people (myself included) who said that embarassing photographs and flashing lights and loud music weren’t torture. Any cites for who claimed “beating the crap out of them isn’t torture”?
So you’re saying the purpose of the punch is not a heart attack? So what we are addressing here is straightforward beatings +/- some hyperbole? Which I have yet to see Bush or Gonzalez endorse or suggest, or for that matter anyone here, as acceptable “tier 2” torture.