C&C 3 confirmed?

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Flash bangs are really good anti infantry, Ill give you that. The problem is the anti-infantry IS infantry and the other sides’s anti infantry are vehicles. While this may not seem like a big deal, it ends up being a huge problem when someone makes an infantry push on you with a few quads or gatling tanks as support.

I just know in the 1000+ games of zero hour, when facting a US opponent, infantry always worked amazingly well. For example, if I were to summon 10 guys in a USA base, it was rare that my guys would be killed before capping a few buildings. He can have infantry with flash bangs, but the problem is they run slow. My guys would fan out, and start capping, and sure he would kill a few, but Id get like 5 buildings.

Now GLA and China can send quads/gatlings which fire on the move, have good range and will rip infantry up fast. Part of the issue here is also that thier anti infantry doubles as anti air. Anti air that ignores missile defense.

I am not saying the USA is totaly screwed if you send some infantry at them, but simply the balance vs the other two sides is way off. It is much harder for USA to defend against infantry then the other two factions. The most effective use of a humvee vs infantry is to run them over, not shoot them.

Overall the USA’s power is far to easy to defend against. Airforce is counted by quads, which also are good against every single USA air general unit. Thats right a single unit is a good counter for everything an AF general has. Quads are good vs buildings, good vs light vehicles, good vs air, good vs infantry. A fully upgraded quad can even ‘solo’ a sam site. Its nuts.

The SW general can’t really be defended against, but they lack map control. You need to force them to send auras against your army and not your base. A tuff nut to crack once they are entrenched, however you ahve the rest of the map at yoru disposal, and they can’t help allys very well.

The Laser general, well I went over him already.

Overall Id peg the airforce general as the most powerful USA general if they are played agressivly. If they could just do something about gatling-quad type damage, they would be good to go. I have no idea how to balance this.

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EA confirmed the game today.

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Zero Hour just sucked. All unit massing, all the time. When it was first released it re-introduced all of the problems Generals 1.0 had. It was pathetic.

Generals, on the other hand, become pretty good by the sixth or seventh patch. But it’s still hobbled by the awful netcode and the inexplicable matching system. The matching system only keeps tracks of wins and losses, which means that if my record looks better than yours – or even better than awful – you have incentive to refuse to play me. Try getting a record including more wins than losses and trying to get a quickmatch game.

Why didn’t they implement a chess-like system? It would’ve taken no more server space or coding, would track records more accurately, and would remove the disincentive to play games against superior players. If I recall correctly RA2 had such a system.

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If your going to discount all US sides because they are not good against early infantry rushes, then why don’t you discount China Infantry general for being weak against an early GLA rush? It’s like you’ve completely forgotten that there’s a third faction DeepT.

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Okay help an idiot out here. I never played these games much because I couldn’t get past THE BIG HONKING INTERFACE THAT TAKES UP TOO MUCH OF YOUR SCREEN. The first C&C game was… C&C. The 2nd was Red Alert right? Why is this C&C 3 then? Wasn’t there Tiberium Sun and Red Alert 2 and Generals also? Or were those spin-offs and not sequels?

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I like the more fictional elements of the C&C universe much better than current day tech of C&C Generals.

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Since no C&C game has been called C&C 2, it’s anyones call how EA got this one to be #3. (http://www.mobygames.com/game_group/sheet/gameGroupId,66/)
But you could say that Tiberian sun was #2 in the series, since it followed the timeline set by C&C.

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Main sci-fi franchise: C&C > Tiberian Sun > C&C 3.

Alternate Earth involving time travel and Soviets: Red Alert > Red Alert 2 > Yuri’s Revenge (expansion).

Pseudo modern day warfare: Generals > Zero Hour (expansion).

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How do you come to that conclusion? I talked about china, I talked about the late, mid, and early games. How do you conclude that I just said infantry rush, and an early one at that?

I got a better idea. A much better idea.

Instead of talking about how good or bad each faction is, lets take it to the battlefield. If USA is so good, play them, if china/gla is so good at countering USA, then Ill play them. If I am full of crap, you will win over and over and over. If I am not, then you will almost never win. My only condtion is that we need to play a lot of games. Its been over a year since I played, I am sure I am quite rusty. Also we need a lot of samples. If I beat you 5 times in a row in the first 10 games, that doesn’t mean anything.

I have been looking for an excuse to drag some QT3 people into Zero hour games. The only reason I quit was because of the rampant cheating. In a gentelmens games, I am sure that will not be happening.

Less talk, more action.

Unlike 99.9% of all the posturing and talking that goes on at QT3, this time we can put our money where our metal is.

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Your basic argument is that US is unbalanced in a weak direction, but your cases are only considering China vs US. In my experience there is a bit of a rock, paper, scissors match where: US > GLA, GLA > China, China > US.

Instead of talking about how good or bad each faction is, lets take it to the battlefield. If USA is so good, play them, if china/gla is so good at countering USA, then Ill play them. If I am full of crap, you will win over and over and over. If I am not, then you will almost never win. My only condtion is that we need to play a lot of games. Its been over a year since I played, I am sure I am quite rusty. Also we need a lot of samples. If I beat you 5 times in a row in the first 10 games, that doesn’t mean anything.

I’ll accept your challenge, but your logic is seriously flawed. No matter how rusty you are, you’ve played 1000+ games! You will probably beat me with one hand tied to your chair, so the battlefield, while noble and worthy, will not settle this disagreement at all.

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Actually I mostly used GLA as an example, not china. And it would be stupid to make an RTS where each faction was RPS.

So your saying Ill beat you easily and so then such a test will be moot because even if USA could stand on its own, Id outclass you and win? Not much of test then.

Do you have XFire? Ill be on tonight, TheSilverHammer. Proabbly 7pmish (earlier or later EST). Ill have to see if I even remember my westwood login and password. Message me sometime around then and we will play. Ill play GLA and you can play any USA general (not vanilla USA because this is about the expansion). If you don’t have xfire, ill check here near 7 and try set up match on thier service we can meet at.

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I have xfire (caesarbear). Does Qt3 have a profile?

I’m LANing tonight so unless I convince them to play as well, it’s no go.

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Profile?

Well then sunday late afternoon or saturday late afternoon Ill proabbly be availalble. Just post here and ill put xfire on, I normally do not have it running.

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Anyone else who might be intrested in zero hour for fun, please let me know, or message thesilverhammer on xfire.

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I’m going to say that the new game is Red Alert 3.
Since the screenshot of the magazine cover does feature a 3 and C&C used titles instead of numbers.

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You know its RA 3 or you think it might be RA3? Honestly, Id prefer another RA title to another C&C title. I always liked the whacked out techonlogy from the RA universe.

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EA already confirmed that it’s a Command and Conquer sequel, not Red Alert.

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Well… Where were you? Didn’t see you once on XFire, nor did you make a post here saying you really wanted to play.

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Didn’t have the opportunity this weekend.

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Your Honor is a stake sir! And you do not have the time.