Camille Paglia on Iraq

I always enjoyed her columsn on Salon, and this interview is pretty good. She makes some interesting points, I think.

(You can see the full article if you click the “free pass” for The Well at the top of the page… Salon is in such bad shape they use a house ad to pay for content.)

Is one of her interesting points the one where she says that the explosion of the Space Shuttle Columbia was caused by God hurling a lightning bolt of righteous wrath plastered all over with NO WAR FOR OIL posters?

As we speak, I have a terrible sense of foreboding, because last weekend a stunning omen occurred in this country. Anyone who thinks symbolically had to be shocked by the explosion of the Columbia shuttle, disintegrating in the air and strewing its parts and human remains over Texas – the president’s home state! So many times in antiquity, the emperors of Persia or other proud empires went to the oracles to ask for advice about going to war. Roman generals summoned soothsayers to read the entrails before a battle. If there was ever a sign for a president and his administration to rethink what they’re doing, this was it. I mean, no sooner had Bush announced that the war was “weeks, not months” away and gone off for a peaceful weekend at Camp David than this catastrophe occurred in the skies over Texas.

Beware the ides of March! Maybe the rest of the article is great, but that’s the point where I chuckled and decided she was a quaint little idiot. *

  • The fact that she was once a columnist for the same online magazine as Wagner James Au doesn’t hurt either.

You got further than I did, which was this point:

Most of the Iraqi armed forces are pathetically unprepared to respond to a military confrontation with us

I think she’s saying it’s not sporting to stop a regime capable of causing a holocaust unless the would-be-holocaust doers also have good tanks.

Yeah, I couldn’t hack reading any more after that part either. Honestly, I think it would be even more scary if Bush said he was calling the invasion off because the Colombia tragedy was a sign. But that’s just me. Whenever life begins to look like an M. Night Shyamalan production, I get a little worried.

I think she’s saying it’s not sporting to stop a regime capable of causing a holocaust unless the would-be-holocaust doers also have good tanks

I think she was simply suggesting that we should subscribe to the Napoleonic method of dueling with your inferiors, where the person with the dueling pistols supplies the weapons. So obviously we should give Saddam a few nukes to even up the score, and maybe supply a few tank battallions as seconds.

Another good laff: where she says she respects Susan Sarandon’s “What has Iraq ever done to us?” supplication for peace. It is funny that the same people who invoke the fact that America sat by the sidelines for years watching Saddam’s genocide of the Kurds as a reason why it is wrong to go to war now are the same ones arguing that we should continue to politely clep-clep from the balcony as Iraq aquires even more horrific means of eradicating its dissidents.

I have a 2000 word column somewhere around here where Camille waxes most eloquent over her sexual attraction for Data on Star Trek:TNG.

I think the more telling omens for the outcome of the war are the development of the F-117A and the M1A2. I noted in the war in Afghanistan that the US played the part of the Old Testament God, raining down fire and brimstone on enemies while manna descended on the favored people.

I can’t believe you people are attacking a woman who’s gone on the record numerous times as hating France, you fucking cannibals. You’re sawing off your own kneecaps.

plus, she digs porn. that alone qualifies her to define our foreign policy!

Can Pagalia go one fucking column without including the phrases:

“As a insert edgy description of her identity politics who insert bizarre reference to greece, I think…”

Note that I wrote the previous two sentences before reading the article. I’m a soothsayer!

But I’m frightened by what I’m hearing these days from commentators like Sean Hannity, whose program I listen to when I’m driving home from school. He’s conservative, but I’m not – I’m a libertarian Democrat who voted for Ralph Nader.

I have a long view of history – my orientation is archaeological because I’m always thinking in terms of ancient Greece and Rome, ancient Persia and Egypt. People are much too complacent in the West – though their comfort level has been shaken (as I predicted long ago in Salon) by the stock market drop.

She’s striking out for new ground by splitting the construct into separate paragraphs, though.

Her points about the insularity of the right is pretty accurate, but god, anyone that she convinces…

I apologize for not pointing out the one big dumb part of that interview in advance. But on the plus side, it’s let all of your incredibly smart people show how smart you are by pointing out how dumb that comment is. It was a nice little self-esteem booster for you, which by the quanitity of posts most of you make pointing out how stupid others are, you could really use.

Of course the rest of the interview is actually interesting, but I suppose no one could read beyond the “one big stupid answer.”

So, putting all this together she’s a frog hating star trek porno lover living in old greece?

Pagalia is the random number generator of political opinions.

But I’m frightened by what I’m hearing these days from commentators like Sean Hannity, whose program I listen to when I’m driving home from school. He’s conservative, but I’m not – I’m a libertarian Democrat who voted for Ralph Nader.

I’m not sure what “Libertarian Democrat” even means, but if she voted for Ralph Nader, then she’s no Libertarian. Apparently she chooses her political affiliations through some sort of crazy “Mad Libs” process of free association.

Then again, maybe we could all learn a lesson from Paglia. From now on, I’m officially calling myself “Whig Authoritarian.” It’s fun! Try it for yourself!

No comment on the original subject of this thread, but a libertarian democrat is someone who shrugs and decides that he’d rather vote for corrupt and self-aggrandizing time-servers than for malefic criminal morons… but who really wishes that everyone was competent and just plain nice enough that a libertarian system of government would actually work :)

Of course you can’t be a libertarian democrat and vote for Nader, though, that really is getting a bit silly. I think what she meant to say is she’s an egalitarian eco-federalist…

But you know … when you get to the theoretical end result of Marxism, and the state withers away and all that, the ideology is different, but it’s hard to see all that much dramatic difference from the end result of a rightist libertarian system where the state also withers away. I guess in the one case everyone gets together and sings the Internationale when they are done with their farm chores for the day, and in the other case they get together and count their earnings when they get done messing around with their E*Trade accounts or return from their duty patrolling the neighborhood frontier.

But you know … when you get to the theoretical end result of Marxism, and the state withers away and all that, the ideology is different, but it’s hard to see all that much dramatic difference from the end result of a rightist libertarian system where the state also withers away.

Oh yeah, the right and the left have always met at their extremes in some in a weird scary place around back.

‘Bull Moose Planetarium’! heeheehee!

And I think the warning signs that she’s a nut job were apparent WAY before the ‘one big stupid answer’ IE:

Paglia was a rough-trade feminist not afraid to challenge the orthodoxy of the women’s movement or its reigning sisterhood; a professor from a small college with no qualms about torching the Parisian academic trends then enthralling Ivy League humanities departments; a self-proclaimed “Democratic libertarian” who voted twice for Bill Clinton and then loudly denounced him for bringing shame to his office.

So she’s a loud bitch who likes to argue and show off her degrees. ‘I voted for Clinton twice and he was a horrible president!’ Where can I sign up for her newsletter?

Given Paglia’s originality and unpredictability, we had no idea what to expect when we phoned her earlier this week for her opinions on the Bush administration’s looming war with Iraq.

Basically: We knew we’d get SOMETHING wacky from this crazy broad!’

And my absolute favorite:

Paglia proudly describes herself as a Dionysian child of the '60s, a generation not known for its martial spirit. And yet, during her long run as a Salon columnist, she developed an enthusiastic following among conservatives, including retired and active military personnel, for her eloquent tributes to family, tradition, country and uniformed service, as well as her stop-your-blubbering take on modern American life.

It’s honestly been awhile since I had to study any Greek gods so I made sure to look this up: She claims to be a Pagan who follows a frenzied, irrational god who specializes in orgies and alcohol?
Nothing say ‘family’ like orgies and wine.

You gotta love someone who’s credentials are from slips of paper pulled from a tinfoil hat.

And this is different from you [/img]how?

I’m male.

Parisian academic trends

Uh, what?