Can you hate a movie but still respect it?

Waking Life is a great example of a movie that I do actually love, but on the flipside I can completely understand why someone would not. It’s so very heavy on the philosophies and if that type of conversation media doesn’t keep you enthralled, then you’re pretty screwed if you don’t like the animation.

Both ‘Fargo’ and ‘Burn After Reading’. I can respect them for doing what they do well. But Coen brothers have a way of portraying violence that is so unsettling to me, I get so uncomfortable I can’t enjoy myself in any way. It just leaves a really unpleasant feeling in the pit of my stomach after watching both of those movies. I suspect that’s what the Coen brothers intended to do, and that’s why they made the movies the way they did. They didn’t want me to enjoy myself. They wanted me to be uncomfortable.

So I can definitely respect that vision and how well it is implemented, even as I don’t enjoy myself and realize that I hate these two movies.

Wow, I’ve never heard of “AV Club” before all of these posts on their ‘best of the decade,’ and after looking at their album picks, and now their film picks, I won’t be returning there again.

They have the 25th hour as the second best film of the year?


They should publish whatever drug cocktail they’re on over there. It must be fucking mind-blowing. While that was far and away not the worst movie I’ve ever seen, it is also far and away not nearly the best, not in the top 50 of the decade, not even in the top 50 of the year it was released. But the second best? El Oh Fucking El.

They clearly are just throwing in albums/movies to gain controversy. Or they’re retarded. Either way, no more AV club for me.

And the omission of both Moon and District 9, not to mention Let the Right One In… Absurd.

The AVClub seems written by and for hipster twenty-somethings, so I tend to take everything with a grain of salt. They have their personal favorite filmmakers, which is why certain artists, like Nolan, are represented multiple times on the list.

Forget that, they picked Two Towers as the best of the Lord of the Rings films on the Best of the '00s list, which is practically flat-out stating they’re just trolling.

Edit: Grizzly Man as the 13th best movie of the decade? I liked it, too, but come the fuck on.

I don’t know if Moon belongs on the best of the last decade list, but District 9 is an exemplary action/sci-fi film not only because it starts out so unconventionally (any action/sci flick should be unconventional in some respect) but that it also gives us a bit of hokey action movie redemption we want to see at the end.

There are some really strange choices. Why pick the Two Towers over Fellowship? Fellowship was the superior film. Kill Bill 1 over 2? Really?

And probably most of all (of the film’s I’ve seen on the list)… AI? Really? Upon a second viewing, I came to appreciate it more (especially the ending) but the middle parts are so ridiculously clumsy that I don’t really think it deserves to be on a best of the decade list. There are too many good films out there to include something like AI.

Edit: And as to the topic, I thought Citizen Kane was the quintessential, I dislike it but I have to respect it kind of movies.

That’s a very apt description of AV Club, and appropriate advice for how to read their articles. I find the site to be a really interesting read but I would in no way suggest taking their lists seriously. Although, given the fact that I created this thread, it would appear that I did not follow my own advice.

Let’s get this thread back on the rails. Or at least the dirt road next to the tracks.

What about films that you don’t hate, but don’t enjoy watching? I don’t hate Schindler’s List, but watching it isn’t really a pleasurable experience.

Caché did this for me. On the one hand, I see all the clever and cool ways the movie plays with perspective. It does some of the most interesting stuff with a camera I’ve ever seen. On the other hand, the ridiculously long intro shot pretty much sums up my dislike. To get across all those clever nods about what a camera is and does, they have to have really boring scenes where nothing happens for 10 minutes. Or cameras that never move, making the scenes boring. There was that one brilliant flash of drama that the movie built up to so well, but for me the slow pacing was definitely not worth it.

Rachel Getting Married is the best movie I’ve ever hated. Anne Hathaway made that movie completely unbearable by doing such a great job of portraying an unbearable character.

I believe you can hate a movie but still respect it. But why you would respect it varies.

For example, I hated Natural Born Killers, but found myself enraptured by the fever-dreamlike quality Oliver Stone infused the film with. It was discomforting and unpleasant, but impressive nonetheless. So, I respect the craftsmanship, even if I disliked the film as a whole.

As for the A.V. Club list, I completely disagree with their #1 pick. I couldn’t stand that film. I’d much rather they included Requiem for a Dream somewhere on the list.

That’s a pretty safe choice, actually. 25th Hour’s a phenomenal film, unless you don’t want to admit Spike Lee is talented for some insecurity you have.

No serious film list has a Christopher Nolan film in the top five.

Waking Life is a piece of shit, and there’s no need to apologize for not liking it. No need to respect either. Putting that on here is complete fucking trolling.

Sure, that seems like a close enough cousin of this thread to count. I think Schindler’s List falls under that weird category that you almost feel dutybound to like. But really, who wants to see a movie about people being imprisoned and gassed? As uplifting as it tries to be, it’s still about a relative minority of the camp’s population that is rescued from execution. But you can’t hate the movie (oh I don’t know, probably someone can), it’s well acted and filmed and tells a significant story. But yeah, I don’t want to see it again.

But Omniscia mentioned Requiem for a Dream – now there’s a movie I would unwatch if I could.

25th Hour has been getting a lot of love on these kinds of lists. I think it’s this decade’s Shawshank.
And definitely Spike Lee’s best movie.
And I like the AV Club list.
I mean sure it isn’t perfect (Memento is too high, no Lives of Others or Let the Right One In) but the only list that is ever perfect is your own. Until you think of another one.

You made an absurd statement, then made another one that blew the previous one out of the water in absurdity.

Then my top 5 films of the decade must drive you crazy:
The Prestige
City of God
The Dark Knight
Let the Right One In
Lives of Others

Yes, they do.

Sure you can hate a movie but respect it on various merits.

That feeling pretty much covers how I view Kubrick’s entire output except for Full Metal Jacket (which I don’t hate).

I respect Michael Haneke’s Funny Games so much that I’m not even going to see it to confirm how much I know I’m going to hate it.