1666

Well, given that every character who’s non-white in the Simpsons are given skin tones close to their real-life colors…yeah?

1667

That was my point. Like Muppets, they can be white without having natural skin tones.

1668

Yeah, but the Simpsons are different, in that white == yellow in the Simpsons.

Muppets have random colors, not just a single non natural skin tone for all of them.

1669

Oh my god, do we have to literally have a discussion right now about how race is a cultural construct not limited to skin tone? Is it 1983?

1670

Fair. I think it was a bit less consistent in the first season, but I’ll concede the point.

1671

Exactly! That’s why I linked the pigeon dance!

1672

I think there’s something to be said about the very different contexts in which Sesame Street has existed over time.

The series debuted in the wake of the Civil Rights movement. I imagine at that time, the people running the show had a vision of a post-racial society in which race no longer mattered. So it kind of makes sense that they would stay away from real-world races and just make everyone a random color - there was no need to bring race into it because we had just triumphed over racism forever!

In 2021, the landscape is different. We’ve collectively realized that it’s not really helpful or productive to just ignore race. We understand that representation matters, especially in kids’ media. So it makes total sense for there to be muppets coded as something specific.

1673

I’ll point to Roosevelt Franklin again. It wasn’t so much “race no longer mattered” and more “inclusive of all cultures”.

1674

New York Times? Canceled!

1675

This year’s nominees include Louis C.K., who earned a Best Comedy Album nod following sexual-misconduct accusations, as well as alleged abuser Marilyn Manson and much-criticized rapper DaBaby (who came under fire this summer for making homophobic remarks onstage), both of whom are nominated for their roles on Kanye West’s Donda.

1676

The Grammys are always bullshit, but they’re leaning into the cow feces this year, I guess.

Also no Architects, Spiritbox or Orbit Culture? Come on.

Deftones up for one, but honestly that’s one of their worst albums in a while imo. Still, it’s Deftones so even their worst album is probably worth a Grammy. Though I’m sure it wont win.

Also the Passenger Remix is up for a Grammy? The worst butchering of the best song ever?
I’m gonna punch a tree.

1677

Old man cancels teenagers and puts them on the map. sigh

1678

And just saw this response.

Anti-woke is the “cheap heat” of comedy.

1679

Happy Thanksgiving kids!

Some 580 students packed into an auditorium to hear their school’s most famous alumnus discuss the uproar triggered by his Netflix special “The Closer.” With a camera crew in tow, Chappelle took the stage to a raucous reception of cheers and some boos — and the hourlong session went south from there, we’re told.

During a Q&A session, one student stepped to the mic and called Chappelle a “bigot,” adding, “I’m 16 and I think you’re childish, you handled it like a child,” according to two students present. The comments were confirmed by Chappelle’s spokesperson CARLA SIMS.

NO APOLOGIES: Chappelle responded, as recalled the next day by the students, “My friend, with all due respect, I don’t believe you could make one of the decisions I have to make on a given day.” That peeved some students who were hoping for an apology or some semblance of one from Chappelle.

In response to another antagonistic question, Chappelle roughly told the student body of artists: “I’m better than every instrumentalist, artist, no matter what art you do in this school, right now, I’m better than all of you. I’m sure that will change. I’m sure you’ll be household names soon.”

The students recalled that another student in the audience shouted at him, “Your comedy kills,” and Chappelle shot back, “N------ are killed every day.” He then asked, “The media’s not here, right?”

A PARTING GIFT: Sims said Chappelle was expecting forgiveness from students, not to offer an apology of his own. The school postponed an event to name its theater after him amid concern about student reactions to his special.

“He said these kids deserve an F for forgiveness,” Sims said. But, “Give them some space to grow. They are going to say things that are immature.”

1680

It’s kind of sad to these guys clutching their belt onions like this.

1681

Jesus. It’s like watching someone being slowly consumed by their own ego.

1682

Cleese is very much retired. He certainly doesn’t need any “cheap heat”.

1683

Not sure I care about what a 16yo person thinks. Mostly because I was a total dumbass when I was 16.

1684

I know this is meant as flippant, but jesus christ, so much bullshit in the world could be avoided if people didn’t stop caring about other peoples perspectives because they are in X group. And that goes 10x when that person doesn’t even have control of being in that group.

1685

Fair enough. But a reaction like “Your comedy kills” is ridiculous hyperbole, and shitty. Hashtag Teenagers. I mean, that would imply Dave killed his friend, which was a focal point of the special.