Captain Marvel - The Marvel Carol Danvers one, not the DC Billy Batson one


#342

She discussed how skewed the demographics are for professional reviewers and suggested expanding the pool over 5 years to better reflect the perspectives of the nation. How that’s “PC cult drivel” is just utterly beyond me. Having reviewers who better understand where you come from makes it more likely for their reviews to be valid for any given consumer. She’s saying there are massively underserved markets and films which have fallen into the cracks because of it; that’s an appeal to capitalists, not any PC crowd.


"Race realism"? It's toxic racist crap. Let's discuss why.
#343

DC fans were probably too busy fighting over out of all the bad DC movies which ones were the worse… or

Yeah actually they did. James Cameron made some weird remarks about it as well as others. DC is pretty small compared to MCU though.

She also had some push back based on speaking about politics.


#344

I think everyone assumed WW would be trash like everything else in the DC movie-verse so they didn’t bother.


#345

Keep in mind you’re trying to convince a guy who (in another thread) suggested that Gamergate was truly a righteous crusade for ethics in journalism.


#346

Wait, it wasn’t?!? (j/k)


#347

Wonder no more!

You’re allowed to have a female superhero as long as she doesn’t shove her feminism in your face. Or make it obvious at all. As long as women know their place, it’s cool, I guess.


#348

I honestly don’t remember, did Gadot say much related to feminism in pre-release press? Is that the difference, just that whatever the movies are actually like—and almost no one fussing yet is in a position to weigh in on Captain Marvel—Brie Larson “dared” to bring up issues like that in interviews?


#349

But it was “in their faces” in Wonder Woman! Like, the most famous scene from the movie is literally Wonder Woman being able to withstand No Man’s Land by shielding herself from their attacks. I don’t know how it could be more pointed.


#350

WW also gave Chris Pine as much if not more of the agency and responsibility as the lead. So much so that I was kinda put off by it.


#351

Gal Gadot has actually said something like: if you are a not a feminist you are sexist. She’s not really passive in this area, but the push against Captain Marvel seems a lot more coordinated and bigger than what she got.


#352

Why would that put you off? Would it put you off if Pepper Potts had a greater role in Iron Man?


#353

Superheroes being able to withstand bullets isn’t some kind of a subtle allegory. There’s no subtext there to read. That’s what superheroes do. They have superpowers.

I think you’d have a stronger case with e.g. the women’s suffrage themes from the London sequence of the movie. But I have this vague recollection that it was kind of played for laughs (e.g. the “where I’m from, we call that slavery” punchline).


#354

But Wonder Woman smiled. And she was so pretty when she was doing it.


#355

I think TF was referring to the fairly on the nose aspect of her surviving No Man’s Land.

Pshh WW, Tolkien did it first.


#356

Yeah I recently rewatched WW and the way Chris Pine constantly cut her off, and then she just meekly accepts it, is just not very feminist. “I’m Diana, Princess…” “Diana Prince”. (And then no complaint!). One of the feminist complaints is that women is not being taken seriously in day to day conversation in that they are more often cut off mid sentence by men (just remember how often the Donald tried to cut Hillary off mid sentence in the presidential debates).


#357

I dunno. I mean, Chris Pine told her he was going to kill himself and she tuned him out. He didn’t take it personally and just killed himself. Or maybe he did take it personally. Either way, she just womagnored him.


#358

I don’t mean to make too much of a mountain out of this molehill. I was just surprised and kinda taken aback that so freaking much of the film Wonder Woman revolved around this dude.

IMO it’s a venal sin at worst, and honestly pretty low down the list of sins in what I thought was a mediocre movie with a couple good bits overall.

This still makes it the best non-Nolan DC film with a bullet, obviously. And Godot was I thought quite charming (and of course jaw-droppingly gorgeous, like wow).

I dunno, I just don’t have that strong of feelings one way or the other I guess. I’m frankly a lot more moved by the (meme-y, to be fair) sentiment I saw from women around release about how happy they were to have the princesses they grew up with grow up themselves into warriors and generals. I certainly don’t think WW is some kind of regressive terrible blight on the face of what passes for American culture these days.


#359

Well Diana, at that point, doesn’t understand the world she is trying to protect. I thought it was kind of the point of the whole end battle; she finally understands man’s, human kind’s nature, and even knowing it she still fights for it. I mean it’s not against equality to rely on someone for information you don’t have. She’s uncertain earlier on, not about her goal just what it all means to everyone else… and ultimately she gets two messages, chooses one.


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