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How about instead of WoD, someone makes a Paranoia mmo?

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Now THAT would be an awesome MMO.

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For as much as everyone talks trash on the new WoD books, new Hunter and Changeling fucking rule, and would make excellent game material.

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I’m not saying they suck nor am I saying they do their job wrong. I’m saying that if they’re making an MMO, I’m not interested. I’m saying that people who think CCP is the only credible MMO developer irk me. There’s a bunch of decent MMO developers out there.

If you really read my posts and actually think I’m being whiny, then perhaps you’re the one who needs reading lessons.

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Well then, I apologize that some of us like a company that you don’t like. In the future, we’ll all be more considerate and bow to your opinion in order to avoid irking you.

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Because Mage is about using your imagination and clever thinking to alter reality. Unless they devote a game master to every mage player to arbitrate the use of their Spheres, Mages just end up having defined spells that won’t satisfy the player base.

(Caveat: My knowledge of Mage is purely from the previous edition and not whatever is in the new books)

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It’s not so much a terrible idea as it would be utterly impossible to implement properly.

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What they said. Mage is my favorite of the old WoD games, but if anyone were to manage to program a game that came anywhere close to capturing it’s freeform game mechanics, they should consider turning their talents to government work cos those suckers could solve the financial crisis.

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I am hopeful whenever I see a new MMOG announced. I am especially hopeful regarding this one, not because of WoD but because maybe, just maybe it will be a sandbox and maybe even skill based. I’m not sure I could stand another diku. I would rather see another UO or even another EVE, without the mistakes of the predecessors.

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t’s ambitious, but I’m not going to get excited until I hear and see more.

What the hell is wrong with you?

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The CCP people are great, and this sounds pretty cool. Wouldn’t mind another trip to Iceland, when this launches.

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All this “there is no solo play in Eve” is irking me in a certain way.

And I have been in the situation where Eve really gets boring when you play solo. I started a new character then, started a corp and have now a lot of fun again, even solo.

I still do “solo” a lot in Eve and with the new scanning and exploration and the new epic arcs there is a lot of solo-able none repetitive stuff in Eve. At least not more repetitive as doing quests in WoW.

I think the intrinsic argument is the fundamentel difference between “everybody elses” MMO and CCP EvE.

“Everybody elses” MMO is a theme park, stuff you do is centered around your doings, guiding you, direction you from quest to quest, lvl to lvl. It is really like in a theme park, you go from roller coaster to roller coaster, wait, enter and sit down to get entertained. If you don’t know what to do there is always the next lvl to reach/the next attraction setup and if you have done 'em all the next expansion with more lvls is just around the corner. You go in there alone, the roller coaster entertains you, you go in with friends, the roller coaster entertains you all.

And on the other side Eve is literally the sandbox. You get your shovel and bucket handed out when you log in and from there is up to you. Everything that you can do in Eve is “soloable” but it is more efficient and in the end more fun doing it in a group. You can build you’re own little sandcastle and have fun creating it all alone, but if you then get jealous when the others together build a sandcastle three times as high in half your time you don’t go out and say the sandbox has no solo content.

Another fundamental difference is the level of competition between, bragging to sit in a a faster/higher roller coaster/25-50man raid in the theme park vs. having created faster a bigger sand castle/0.0 holding alliance.

“Everybody elses” MMOs are designed as themeparks, Eve was created as sandbox, naturally everybody could offer a sandbox in their theme park, while Eve could offer some roller coasters (which they do, with their epic arcs) but saying one doesnt offer the other is because it was originally not aimed at offer it. And this has nothing to do with “being soloable” or “being solo content”.

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The handful of times I’ve tried to get into Eve were largely spent AFK while I hopped from gate to gate en route to mission destinations. Can someone explain to me when the fun starts?

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Uh, don’t do missions where the journey takes longer than the fun? Whenever I’ve started a fresh character I’ve spent longer killing things than travelling, especially with Warp-to-Zero implemented.

Or if you find missions dull, do something that you don’t find dull. Like scamming newbies, or piracy, or exploration, or trade.

No-one said the other developers aren’t credible, just that they’re making the same old shit with the same old mistakes.

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you roll a PVP character
you join a recuitment channel
from any of the countless carebear corps spamming their invites you pick the juiciest one
you ask for some cash, pretend you’re newbie miner trying to make some space bux
you fit a destroyer with named blasters and tackling gear

and then you kill every fucking mining barge, hulk, orca whatever the carebears have
sell the loot, bask in the outraged cries of your targets, maybe taunt them some

and then you biomass your character and do it all over again

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I’m glad to read something like this. I just bought EVE from Steam because of the current sale and I’m hoping to find a different type of solo experience. My plan is to trade and explore and start a little corp up of my own and see how it goes. I’ve always enjoyed the X series as well and I wanted to see a different implementation of that basic idea.

As for the WoD MMO, I’m curious to see how CCP approaches this because I feel there’s a good chance I’m not going to roll up a Malkavian and then run to the nearest guy with a floating question mark over his head and bring said floaty ? 8 sewer rats.

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Let me back up a second. I find that I’m debating a different point than I intended to.

Yes, there is solo content in Eve. You can fly around in high sec space all you want, run missions, mine high sec ore and sell it on the open market. There’s enough to do that you can call it solo content.

My real issue is that Eve is a griefer’s paradise. The game is built on the idea that it’s fun to interact with other players, whether they want you to or not. Forget the whole 0.0 low sec stuff. Forget the gate campers and pirates. You can’t even run missions in high sec without getting fucked with by assholes who can only have fun when it’s at others peoples’ expense. They come and steal your loot cans, and dare you to fire just one volley at them. If you do, you’re suddenly surrounded by 4 other assholes in tackle boats and pretty soon you’re limping your pod back to a station. If you don’t fire at them, you’re just being their bitch by letting them steal your loot. You really just want to enjoy a few hours running a mission, chatting in local or corp chat, and not having to deal with idiots. But CCP makes sure the idiots have ways to interfere with your fun anyway.

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Sure. Thats one of the reasons why EvE is not for everyone. It’s a wild frontier, its lawless but I find it refreshing for once to not have the damm game hold my hand every step of the way. Some of the crap that happens in EvE actually gets my adrenaline going and my hands shaking (in a good way). Sure, I’ve been blown up, but more from npcs than players. I’ve lived in high sec, low sec, 0.0. A lot of the crap you mentioned can be avoided entirely. Yeah, I’ve had to modify the way I might prefer to do things, but so be it. It can be very easy to avoid trouble if you know what you are doing. Freedom means you can do what you want to, but so can griefers. For me the good outweighs the bad. Not once, not ever has WoW given me any type of adrenaline shot because its been so sanitized of anything that might get me upset. Actually thats not quite true. I’m appalled at some of the crap that passes for conversation on my server. Not saying that EvE doesn’t have imbecilic shit scrolling through my chatbox, but I find even the dicks in that game are much more erudite.

For the record, I am not currently playing EvE. It is very slow and a lot of the travelling can get boring as can missioning, mining etc. It’s not the player base that causes me to leave in EvE. (I’m not a pvper in EvE unless forced to be one, but I do get a thrill when someone does lock on the me forcing the whole flight or fight response. I’m usually flight depending on which toon I’m playing.) I am currently playing WoW. But every few months I get a hankering and I reup EvE. It’s a game I can always go back to, get my fix and cancel. I just like that I can get a totally different experience in EvE that I cannot get in any other game (except maybe UO but its been so sanitized and dikuized that I can’t go back there either).

That is why I am hopeful with WoD. I’m not really into werewolves and vampires but if the game can offer me a different experience that all the other diku’s, I’ll be there.

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See, the problem I had is there was precious little fun doing missions. It was just auto-warp to wherever and tab out, go AFK, read a book. Spend five minutes doing your mission, then another ten flying back wherever you needed to turn it in.

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My last griefer I encountered was a scammer who wanted to sell some cheap T2 boats and trade them on a station.

Before that it was a can flipper, who was unlucky to flip from a corp mate in a system with four of us and to undock at the same time as I undock my PvP Myrmidon.

Then two more scammers, trying to do the station trade thing and that was all griefer encounter I had in the last year.

If you call salvagers thiefs I had one more but I usually dont bother salvaging so I convoed him and we had a nice talk.

In Uni they are - were - always talking about salvage thiefs, but salvaging is not thiefing in CCPs sight otherwise you would get flagged in came. Me being active in Heimatar I as said above only encountered once one salvager in my mission.

IMHO it depends on where you are active in Eve, there are quieter and relaxed areas who are not less profitable but where you can do your mission and mining all in piece all day long.