Civilization V

Quitch · 2010-10-04T13:06:16.000Z

I’m not feeling the GUI. I mouse over a Citadel, doesn’t say what it does so I pull up the Civlopedia which gives me a nice description, but STILL doesn’t say what it does. I vaguely remember it giving a 100% defensive bonus to units or something, but seriously? No way to find this out in-game?

Also, very irritating, the inability to get combat information about a unit until you can fight it. Want to know the odds? Nope. Want combat strength, hah, only if you’re at war son otherwise bring up the Civlopedia. Why??

frank_austin · 2010-10-04T13:06:34.000Z

I just love the idea that as I’m burning their fucking city to the ground they’re standing around expecting me to pay the rent on all the trading posts that shitbag Montezuma built over the last two thousand years.

KWhit · 2010-10-04T13:12:35.000Z

frank austin:

They can’t, though. They’re in uprising and therefore doing nothing for 5 turns, I thought. Nevermind that you’re still paying the farmers and traders out of your own coffers.

But you don’t pay for tile improvements like farms or trading posts. Only roads. You do pay for maintenance on buildings, though.

Brakara · 2010-10-04T13:15:30.000Z

frank austin:

I just love the idea that as I’m burning their fucking city to the ground they’re standing around expecting me to pay the rent on all the trading posts that shitbag Montezuma built over the last two thousand years.

What do you mean pay rent on trading posts? I thought you got an extra +2 Gold for each trading post. The only tile improvement that costs money is roads afaik.

djotefsoup · 2010-10-04T13:27:50.000Z

sinnick:

I’m by no means a Civ expert, but Civ IV trains you pretty quickly to build up a major army fast or be destroyed. I wonder if that’s why so many of us find the combat in Civ V so easy. The A.I. just doesn’t seem to get its army up fast enough.

I don’t think it gets an army up at all. Almost every fight I’ve had with it has played out with it throwing 4-10 midstrength units on the front line, frittering them away in a few turns … and then … nothing. Absolutely nothing. You don’t see their army for the entire rest of the war ever again. It doesn’t even appear to be scheduling military units into the city queues, buying them, or disrupting current construction in any way to make more. You just waltz around taking a dozen cities and it does nothing, you never even see a garrisoned unit past the first front 2-3 cities.

Quitch · 2010-10-04T13:32:22.000Z

Also, the Civlopedia NOT defaulting to the search box once opened. WTF?

sinnick · 2010-10-04T13:39:43.000Z

Quitch:

Also, the Civlopedia NOT defaulting to the search box once opened. WTF?

Also, not being able to right-click on a unit and get its Civpedia entry for it is annoying to me. I’m not sure that’s a fair complaint though, probably more my being used to Civ IV conventions. Still, I find it annoying.

GuildBoss · 2010-10-04T13:46:00.000Z

So my boat has lots of holes in it from a recent battle. Where did Firaxis hide the repair kit?

ShivaX · 2010-10-04T13:48:43.000Z

GuildBoss:

So my boat has lots of holes in it from a recent battle. Where did Firaxis hide the repair kit?

In friendly territory.

Quitch · 2010-10-04T13:49:44.000Z

sinnick:

Also, not being able to right-click on a unit and get its Civpedia entry for it is annoying to me. I’m not sure that’s a fair complaint though, probably more my being used to Civ IV conventions. Still, I find it annoying.

If you select the unit and right-click the pic in the bottom right you get the entry. But you can’t select enemy units…

Also, WTF is it with 4X games bringing up diplomacy offers and locking me on the screen until I accept or refuse? What if I want to, oh say, check that this guy actually does need the stuff he’s asking for?

sinnick · 2010-10-04T13:56:24.000Z

djotefsoup:

I don’t think it gets an army up at all. Almost every fight I’ve had with it has played out with it throwing 4-10 midstrength units on the front line, frittering them away in a few turns … and then … nothing. Absolutely nothing. You don’t see their army for the entire rest of the war ever again. It doesn’t even appear to be scheduling military units into the city queues, buying them, or disrupting current construction in any way to make more. You just waltz around taking a dozen cities and it does nothing, you never even see a garrisoned unit past the first front 2-3 cities.

I’ve had exactly the same experience.

Miramon · 2010-10-04T14:17:58.000Z

djotefsoup:

I don’t think it gets an army up at all. Almost every fight I’ve had with it has played out with it throwing 4-10 midstrength units on the front line, frittering them away in a few turns … and then … nothing. Absolutely nothing. You don’t see their army for the entire rest of the war ever again. It doesn’t even appear to be scheduling military units into the city queues, buying them, or disrupting current construction in any way to make more. You just waltz around taking a dozen cities and it does nothing, you never even see a garrisoned unit past the first front 2-3 cities.

Yeah, I think that’s accurate. Normally this strategic lunacy would be a real issue, but the tactical problems have put this in shadow. However, it’s consistent with what I’ve seen. If you stay at war long enough without doing anything, some units may snipe at you every once in a while, but the AI doesn’t seem to manage to put another real attack together again.

razarok · 2010-10-04T14:20:26.000Z

Miramon:

Yeah, I think that’s accurate. Normally this strategic lunacy would be a real issue, but the tactical problems have put this in shadow. However, it’s consistent with what I’ve seen. If you stay at war long enough without doing anything, some units may snipe at you every once in a while, but the AI doesn’t seem to manage to put another real attack together again.

Yes, exactly. Even more ludicrous is that sometimes, after you launch your counterattack and start taking 2-3 cities from the AI, it offers you all of its cities + gold + resources for a 10 turn peace treaty.

Mark_Matt_Gallant_Th · 2010-10-04T14:22:22.000Z

razarok:

Yes, exactly. Even more ludicrous is that sometimes, after you launch your counterattack and start taking 2-3 cities from the AI, it offers you all of its cities + gold + resources for a 10 turn peace treaty.

You would prefer having to take every individual city from them over a period of what will certainly be more than 10 turns?

sinnick · 2010-10-04T14:25:47.000Z

Mark Threadsread:

You would prefer having to take every individual city from them over a period of what will certainly be more than 10 turns?

I think his point is that the A.I. is horribly broken when it comes to what it offers when sueing for peace. Really Turkey? You’re going to offer me three cities, five strategic resources and all your gold for ten turns of peace? It shouldn’t be doing that.

Tom also posted an example on fidgit of what the A.I demands from you when it thinks it has the upper hand. Giving up five cities vs. staying at war is not a hard choice to make.

razarok · 2010-10-04T14:30:02.000Z

Mark Threadsread:

You would prefer having to take every individual city from them over a period of what will certainly be more than 10 turns?

sinnick:

I think his point is that the A.I. is horribly broken when it comes to what it offers when sueing for peace. Really Turkey? You’re going to offer me three cities, five strategic resources and all your gold for ten turns of peace? It shouldn’t be doing that.

Tom also posted an example on fidgit of what the A.I demands from you when it thinks it has the upper hand. Giving up five cities vs. staying at war is not a hard choice to make.

Mostly what sinnick said.

A more concrete example. I had two cities and was up against a 20 city Caesar who was pretty rich. Yes, i barely beat his army, but was totally broke after that. Had he waited for me to take his cities one by one he should have had more than enough time to assemble a counter offensive that might have crushed me.

frank_austin · 2010-10-04T14:42:24.000Z

KWhit:

But you don’t pay for tile improvements like farms or trading posts. Only roads. You do pay for maintenance on buildings, though.

Ahh. Well, the question still remains: why am I paying maintenance on things that I’m burning to the ground?

I have noticed less surrender monkey weirdness lately, or if I’ve seen any it’s in the opposite direction. I utterly crushed Elizabeth and she kept offering peace without trying to sweeten the deal any. I kept asking for more and she would tell me there was no way that could happen, and I’d go on wiping out her entire empire one city at a time.

nordhus · 2010-10-04T14:51:09.000Z

Miramon:

Right, so it never has any left over to pop units for a war. On the other hand, this means that if you as a player have a tech lead, you can win even more easily through these agreements, since you can manage your money better and the higher tech player gains more advantage from them. The AI never ever turns down a research agreement if it has the money and isn’t at war with you, so far as I can tell.

In case of poverty stricken AI: Gift money first, then ask for research agreement.

This should have been obvious but somehow didn’t occur to me until tonight.

Quitch · 2010-10-04T16:16:33.000Z

Is the Hall of Fame map type display broken (be it totally or for random types)?

Here is the map I was playing:

Here is the score screen

Now correct me if I’m wrong, but that’s not a Pangea map, right?

balut · 2010-10-04T16:22:42.000Z

That’s an archipelago map.