Civilization V

Mysterio · 2010-12-09T14:21:02.000Z

Regarding the upcoming patch:

2K Greg:

Update 12/9/2010: Finally, the speculation can end! Today I have the patch release ETA. As you may have heard, we just announced that new DLC will be available to purchase on December 16. I can now confirm to you that the patch will be released before the DLC. The exact release date is still a tad flexible; it could be a couple days before the DLC, it could be an hour before the DLC. But hey, that’s why they call it an Estimated Time of Arrival!

Happy days! Looking forward to the patch, and (finally) my D2D bonus content!

tomchick · 2010-12-09T14:36:11.000Z

Would you jerkwads quit bumping the-- Oh, look! That’s within the next week.

-Tom

pilonv1 · 2010-12-09T14:48:00.000Z

$7.50 for two civs and a scenario. Not sure what to think of this. Do we have any information on the Spanish or Incan bonuses?

Dan_Theman · 2010-12-09T15:06:18.000Z

Sure -
Spain: ability to grab $7.50 from your account without you blinking
Inca: ability to laugh all the way to the bank

PS - quite honestly, it looks like quite a good value (as opposed to some of those map packs).

JMR · 2010-12-09T15:36:20.000Z

I don’t know if it’s been mentioned already but the late game tech tree could use some readjusting. Mechanized infantry without researching internal combustion? Nuclear subs without having fission researched first? That does not make sense.

Rywill · 2010-12-09T15:43:40.000Z

Two civs is a pretty nice bump, but even so $7.50 seems a bit steep. I mean, that’s like 15% of the price of the entire game. It’s not a lot in terms of real money (less than a movie ticket), but you start to get the feeling that by the time you have the “full game,” which is probably going to be about as much content as Civ IV gave you in its original release, you’re going to have paid $150 or something.

Cold_Blooded · 2010-12-09T15:51:41.000Z

JMR:

I don’t know if it’s been mentioned already but the late game tech tree could use some readjusting. Mechanized infantry without researching internal combustion? Nuclear subs without having fission researched first? That does not make sense.

Before that, would be good to figure out how a nation could have horse archers without knowing archery, or lancers without knowing horseback riding.

Dejin · 2010-12-09T15:54:01.000Z

Rywill:

Two civs is a pretty nice bump, but even so $7.50 seems a bit steep. I mean, that’s like 15% of the price of the entire game. It’s not a lot in terms of real money (less than a movie ticket), but you start to get the feeling that by the time you have the “full game,” which is probably going to be about as much content as Civ IV gave you in its original release, you’re going to have paid $150 or something.

Somehow $3 for a Civ doesn’t sound that bad, and $1.50 for a scenario doesn’t sound that bad. But for $7.50, I really expect some real content.

I do wonder if this “trickle-out-new-civs” model means that we will never see a real expansion for Civ V. It seems like new Civs are one of the bigger draws for buying an expansion pack. If they release a $30 expansion with no new Civs, I’m guessing it will do worse than previous Civ expansions. If they release it with Civs that many people have already paid for as DLC, they risk pissing of their current customers.

joefriendgood · 2010-12-09T16:07:00.000Z

This is excellent news. $7.50 is the price point where I pretty much buy without thinking when it comes to my favorite game series. Except when they try to do the map thing to me. I am on to that action.

Squee · 2010-12-09T16:07:34.000Z

Hot diggity. Hopefully that patch is good, since I should be getting this for Christmas soonish. Would be nice if it has good or at least decent AI by the time I start playing.

ShivaX · 2010-12-09T16:17:21.000Z

JMR:

I don’t know if it’s been mentioned already but the late game tech tree could use some readjusting. Mechanized infantry without researching internal combustion? Nuclear subs without having fission researched first? That does not make sense.

Cold Blooded:

Before that, would be good to figure out how a nation could have horse archers without knowing archery, or lancers without knowing horseback riding.

And infantry without rifling. And combustion without oil.

This is my biggest pet peeve with Civ5. The tech tree makes no sense.

Dan_Theman · 2010-12-09T16:26:51.000Z

Well, let’s be fair - the tech tree mostly makes sense. It’s just the points where it doesn’t that glaringly stand out.

ShivaX · 2010-12-09T16:34:36.000Z

Dan_Theman:

Well, let’s be fair - the tech tree mostly makes sense. It’s just the points where it doesn’t that glaringly stand out.

Well sure, but if you look at the modern era, I’m not sure any of it makes sense.

Considering previous Civ games have had basically a 100% correct tech tree, going to a game with a 90% correct one is pretty jarring.

Dan_Theman · 2010-12-09T16:36:06.000Z

Agreed on that.

Equisilus · 2010-12-09T17:11:16.000Z

Yay, more free stuff! Now all I need is some free time and I’ll be able to get back into playing a bit of Civ5.

jpinard · 2010-12-09T19:32:56.000Z

ShivaX:

And infantry without rifling. And combustion without oil.

This is my biggest pet peeve with Civ5. The tech tree makes no sense.

JMR:

I don’t know if it’s been mentioned already but the late game tech tree could use some readjusting. Mechanized infantry without researching internal combustion? Nuclear subs without having fission researched first? That does not make sense.

Cold Blooded:

Before that, would be good to figure out how a nation could have horse archers without knowing archery, or lancers without knowing horseback riding.

I believe there are some mods that made changes to address that. Though they may cripple the AI more by changing it (not sure). If I had a bit more time I’d find them for you, but I’m swamped. I’m sure I saw them at one point though.

ShivaX · 2010-12-10T02:03:55.000Z

jpinard:

I believe there are some mods that made changes to address that. Though they may cripple the AI more by changing it (not sure). If I had a bit more time I’d find them for you, but I’m swamped. I’m sure I saw them at one point though.

Its entirely possible, but it doesn’t excuse the stupidity of the developers not doing it right the first time.

I get what they were going for, basically a split in the modern era between military and social, but its silly. Plus part of the fun of civilization is that often those things go hand in hand. I mean we wouldn’t have smartphones if not for the Cold War, but in Civ5 you have a universe where the development of dyanamite is purely military (which makes it even sillier imo) and you can develop stealth fighters and nuclear fusion without the aid of computers.

joefriendgood · 2010-12-10T09:21:13.000Z

So any news on the abilities of the new Civs? I just checked the Civfanatics forum (my eyes!!!) and didn’t see anything other than hot and heavy bitching.

Dan_Theman · 2010-12-10T10:06:00.000Z

joefriendgood:

So any news on the abilities of the new Civs? I just checked the Civfanatics forum (my eyes!!!) and didn’t see anything other than hot and heavy bitching.

That would be Civfanatics for you.

No word as of yet, although I still stand behind my prior post on the matter ;)

edit - seeing this is a new page:

Spain: ability to grab $7.50 from your account without you blinking
Inca: ability to laugh all the way to the bank

Mike_Cathcart · 2010-12-10T10:14:38.000Z

I’ll buy new civs regardless of their abilities just for the new music and the increased chance of not seeing Catherine and Elizabeth in every damn game.