5321

Is this game worth picking up at all? Or should I just stick with Civ IV & Expansions?

5322

I just can’t go back to Civ 4 after doing Civ 5…

Best I can tell ya.

5323

I’ve gone back to Civ4 myself. More options, better gameplay.

5324

I just loaded up Civ IV for the first time in about two years. I forgot how utterly daunting these games are!

5325

Stick with Civ4 and hope for a solid Civ5 expansion to flesh out the game.

5326

Go Civ 5 all the way!
Unless you want to play Fall from Heaven Civ5 is superior in every way.

5327

I’m in the same place here. I’d love to see a solid Civ V, but just don’t see it right now. Maybe they can rescue this one with the expansion.

In the meantime, I’ve got some angry Thai’s in Civ IV I have to go Nuke.

5328

Played a bit of another game. Either conquest is now destroying almost all the buildings in an enemy city, or the AIs are just not building anything, just cranking units.

Also they rarely seem to develop more than one of a luxury resource (sometimes they do, it’s just rare), despite the fact they could be trading them, and they rarely develop non-luxury non-strategic resources like sheep or stone or bananas (this is a bit more variable; city-states eventually develop their entire regions, but it’s weird to conquer a size 15 or 20 capital and see all these undeveloped resource spots around it). Yet there are workers all over the place in these AI civilizations; I just don’t see that they’re doing very much of anything.

5329

There is obviously some kind of “failed attack” signal that basically causes all the enemy units to rout, which naturally makes them even easier to destroy. I always adopt a “force destruction doctrine” when attacking the enemy myself, because the AI just doesn’t recognize the value of its own units as units. After a few turns of wave after ridiculous wave of units flinging themselves wildly around my massively outnumbered but slightly less stupid forces, the enemy civ eventually runs out of super-expensive fodder and is easy prey.

5330

I fall into the “Civilization V is so bad it cannot be salvaged by patches, mods, or even expansions” camp. While there were UI improvements and I think the game seems to run better, I can’t think of one gameplay direction I actually approve. A lot of posters seem to thing the problems would all be solved by a radically improved AI, I am not one of them.

5331

So after reading the general feedback from those who own the game, I guess I wont be picking up Civ V anymore if it’s featured in Steam’s summer sale (provided there is a summer sale).

5332

I’d call it your loss, but then I’m sure there are tons of other games that could take up your time in its place.

5333

Yeah. From my POV the game would have to be a significant improvement over Civ IV for it to be worth my time. Civ IV is so good that I am not going to spend money (even a little money) on something that’s not better.

5334

Eh, I find Civ V to be pretty darn good. I have Civ IV on my system, with the expansions and mods. Don’t play it at all any more, though. For all of its warts, I actually am liking Civ V better. The only thing I don’t like is the turns take an eternity later in the game, even on a relatively fast machine.

Then again, I’m not a min/maxer, I’ve never bumped up against AI weaknesses that I could ruthlessly exploit, and I don’t think I’ve ever, um, actually won a Civ game, or maybe more than a handful, going back to Civ I…

5335

I think the city states, the combat and general stuff is significantly better than old civ. Land resources are more important and you don’t just put everything in your build list into all cities. Happiness is also a lot more interesting to manage.

In my opinion, Civ 4 is just a simpler version.

5336

Civ 4:

  1. Rush axemen, annex capital. Rinse repeat.
  2. Rush cavalrymen, rinse repeat.
  3. Tech up, build one rifleman, fortify in a hill, watch enemies kill themselves.
  4. ICS ICS ICS
5337

Conquest destroys 2/3s of all buildings and all cultural buildings, IIRC.

5338

You’re projecting. The people who keep playing and enjoying Civ5 don’t see most of the changes as problems but as improvements, and they don’t see even the weak AI as such a great problem. I haven’t logged over 300 hours with Civ5 because I hate the game, and I certainly don’t want to go back to Civ4 with its stupid stack-of-doom mechanics.

5339

I think you misunderstood him on purpose - he’s just saying for HIM, the game HAS lots of issues, and addressing those in patches will be hard or even impossible. I agree with that.

YOU, on the other hand, have made it clear on numerous occasions in this thread that you’re happy with the direction the Civ series has taken in #5, and that there are no problems in the first place as far as you are concerned. That’s a perfectly valid opinion, but it does not invalidate Greatatlantics.

Oh, and about destruction of buildings - back when I was still playing Civ5, it always felt to me like it feels to Miramon, but back then there was a desctruction propability for any building defined in the XMLs that SUPPOSEDLY controlled this. Maybe someone who’s still playing and knows a bit about the XMLs can clarify?

rezaf

5340

I’d have to agree with Chris on the stack-of-doom. I still miss religion and the boundaries wavering back and forth from culture wars (although there’s a mod that adds that part back in a slightly less elegant manner), but I find my overall enjoyment of V to be greater than IV at this point.

And yeah, everyone has valid pov, here.