3012

I loved AoW3 combat.

3013

Oooo, that is an even better example. It may be a little involved to fit into a Civ game, but it’s the best combat in a 4x game. Age of Wonders 3 strategy layer is pretty light compared to Civ.

3014

I liked Endless legend quite a bit, but I do agree that tactical combat didn’t add a lot to the game. But it was tremendously better then Civ V or VI combat.

3015

I think Endless Legend had significantly better combat as well… and I just autoresolved all battles. That alone makes it better than Civ5/6.

3016

I mean, AoW3 is the best 4X ever made. You guys are being super unfair to Civilization VI.

3017

I so prefer the Endless games to AoW3, but i think at this point in my life i’m sensitive to time/in-productivity/value. It’s why i look on Paradox games with such a jaundiced eye now, when i hear things like the “average” game of EU4 lasts a 100 hours or something. On paper games like AoW3 are better but in the end i don’t feel like i’m making any more “meaningful” decisions than EL, and EL plays much, much faster. Endless Legend’s combat estimate is pretty accurate actually and i rarely am able to win significantly more decisively than what the auto-resolve estimated (where, Total War games, for ex., usually undervalue your ability to win manual combat) so i almost always auto-resolve EL combat. Even so EL manual combat is both really clever and totally janky.

But i also like the aesthetic more in Endless Legend, and AoW 3 plays like complete crap on the Mac (it gets completely confused about that Retina Resolution thing and it crushes the GPU).

3018

Really? I find AOW3 plays pretty quick tbh.

Haven’t struggled with any Mac nonsense, though.

3019

That’s a really weird way to spell Imperialism 2.

3020

I’m home.

3021

I would dispute this. Unless you mean how in EL you spend most of your time clicking end turn…but I doubt you mean that as you wrote:

I’m with him here lol.

A chacun son envie. I disliked it quite strongly. All jagged edges etc.

I would also dispute this. Imho only “clever” if your frame of reference is Civ 5.

Anyway, I’m not the best person to talk about AoW3 with.

I love the game but even I’m not sure I’d go quite that far.

3022

I’m trusting Firaxis’s track record with expansions here. I picked up Civ VI and pre-ordered the expansion. We’ll see how this goes.

3023

Sure, but major updates and expansions always wreck my ever growing collection of mods! 😉

3024

Expansion is 25% off at GMG with EARLYBIRD25.

(Also works with Metal Gear Survive and Kingdom Come: Deliverance)

3025

Trusting Firaxis for anything at this point is like trusting a used car salesman.

3026

A very nice summary of the changes and additions:
https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/rise-and-fall-features-thread.624895/

My sense is that for builders, this is going to be a stellar expansion. For those who want it to be a military game, not so much.

3027

Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station

I like this.

3028

Agreed. I personally love what I’m seeing, but then I’m a sucker for all things Civ.

3029

I’m so weak… bought

3030

Well the base game just updated, and expansion apparently unlocks here in 8 hours. So I hope GMG are forthcoming with those keys! :)

3031

So do any of you pro players think these new mechanics, especially City Loyalty, will help end the tyranny of ICS as the biggest dominating strategy?