Thrag
2855
Really? Shove that back where you got it.
You say that, and then justify every action that the police take. So yes, in practice it is.
This is the position you’re arguing for. That police, responding to a report of a gunshot (unknown location, unknown suspect, unknown target, no guarantee at that point that a crime had even been committed). Every decision they made from that point is justified by the fact that a kid had a gun, and the results were inevitable. So the penalty is in fact death, unless the kid can run faster.
Nesrie
2857
And it’s still legal to have guns in America. We keep talking over and over again how many guns are out there and the rights of people to have those guns… but only if the cops acknowledge those rights AND decide they don’t feel threatened.
It is not a small point that this is our child that was killed, someone’s baby, a baby himself.
What the hell is wrong with you? The cop isn’t dead. A child is. Does that not matter to you at all?
Have you had your head in the sand for years now? Exactly how many men, women and children need to die at the hands of the cops before you start questioning standards that clearly don’t work?
He thinks the cop is the injured party here.
I don’t think they’re looking to murder people, but I think we have terrible engagement training, systemic racism throughout the country, and cops and their unions are more concerned with circling wagons than actually taking in any criticism of their fuckups.
Timex’s argument confuses me. Wasn’t the kid told to stop, turn around, and put his hands up. So why was the cop panicked when the kid was doing exactly as he was told? Keeps talking about how the cop perceived him as a threat - even though he was exactly what he was told.
How else should the kid have complied?
I’m reminded of the incident from last week where the Lt. is sitting his car and doesn’t comply - because he is receiving contradictory commands (put the hands outside the window, open the door) and straight up says ‘i’m scared’.
Now we have a 13 y/o kid who does EXACTLY AS WAS COMMANDED and gets popped
KevinC
2862
By not turning around, apparently. Turning around carries the death penalty.
Thrag
2863
One common conservative contradiction, just like how immigrants are simultaneously lazy and taking your job, that unlike civilians police are brave warriors. Who for some reason must react with overwhelming deadly force to anything that puts them in any fear of harm.
Nesrie
2864
I don’t understand anyone who looks at what happened and says yep, this needed to happen, this should’ve happened… I am happy with the outcome because this is the outcome that all these dots say should be the outcome.
A baby is dead. A cop killed him. Lives are ruined, absolutely devastated… forever changed, and we have people who look at that say yep, that’s fine by me. And all this in a country where supposedly… it’s actually okay to have guns everywhere… all the time, by citizens.
I do not think this outcome was okay, and that has nothing to do with how I feel about the uniform of the only adult in the situation.
If you’re not capable of discussing a distressing issue without resorting to inappropriate insults (you lack empathy!) and ridiculous emotional appeals (a baby is dead!), you should probably avoid discussing distressing issues. I’ll unlock the thread later today. In the meantime, I’d appreciate it if some of the flagged posts were cleaned up.
This was a horrible thing that happened. I can only imagine how difficult it must have been for those of you who watched that video. I know I couldn’t do it. So I can only imagine how some of you must feel after having seen it. But that doesn’t mean you’re excused from the normal standards of a good-faith discussion with someone who might not share your perspective on the specifics of what happened.
-Tom
Well, at least we only need to wait a day or so before we have another “officer-involved shooting,” and we can get back on this ride all over again.
The baby talk was a bit much.
Nothing much to add other than than I saw a kid immediately murdered by a cop, and it was terrible.
No babies here. This is not about killing babies. Sorry. (because my wife knows about baby vulnerability, maybe)
We’ll make sure to let his family know how to grieve appropriately, thanks.
Thanks, I really apprtatiosjfdsodpfjosdpjf it.
It’s just a weird thing to get hung up on. Like, fine, you call someone a bootlicker, that crosses a line, whatever. I accept that. But tone policing how people respond to tragedy is… a weird reason to flag someone’s post.
But hey, message received. This is a thread for factual analysis of such murders, not feelings about them. I’ll abide going forward.
Menzo
2874
Letter purported to be by an ex-cop, mad that he’s being asked not to shoot innocent people anymore, I guess.
I love how he suggests that it’d be a “miracle” if a cop lives to be 57. As if they expect to be murdered on the job. In 2019 a grand total of 89 law enforcement officers were killed in the line of duty, and 41 of those were accidents. And according to Statista, there were 697,195 full-time law enforcement officers employed in the US that year.
Yeah, my response is “grow up.”
