Same delta for my heart rate the last 2-3 days. Anxiety is no joke, even with a stiff upper lip.

People were joking that Jared Kusher was crowdsourcing ideas on FaceBook but the list that leaked from that random family friend doctor was 100x better than the plan so far. I mean, ideally it’s government experts creating it, but I’ll take random ER doctor over our government right now.

I’ve never wished a deadly disease on any person before. But in Trump’s case I find myself constantly fantasizing about him having a long painful death. I’m feeling a bit guilty about it, but at this point, I’m pretty positive that Trump is not an actual human just some malignant being.

Regardless of his (non)species, it feels like that motherfucker is going to live forever. Nothing brings him down. I bet if and when he’s catches the bug, he’ll outlive us all.

And if he is infected but it doesn’t get bad enough to require hospitalization or intubation, watch his people spin it as “look, it’s no big deal, it’s just like the flu!”

He’s the healthiest prethident in the history of the universe - fucking gross

I’m seeing lots of different numbers thrown about, and I’m not quite sure where all of those come from. Here are the numbers as given by the Danish Corona strategy plan, published/updated March 10.

Typical infection rate in a epidemic (first wave): 5-10%
Typical infection rate in a pandemic (first wave): 10-30%

These are numbers based on past similar epidemics/pandemics. The actual infection rate will depend a lot on the measures put in place to contain and mitigate spread. The goal of the SST is to limit the infection rate to 10% in the first wave (while obviously working with worst-case scenarios where the infection rate is higher). They are planning for multiple waves of infection into at least 2021 (best case scenario: future waves turn out to be limited, due to health services/nations now being prepared tp handle Covid-19 and/or a vaccine is developed).

Number of infected who will need to contact the health services: 10%

That is, 90% will have so mild symptoms that they won’t contact the doctor or will be told to stay home (and thus won’t get a diagnosis). The SST number seems primarily based on typical epidemic numbers from flu. Possibly iffy, but there are no numbers on which we can base a precise estimate. The number is probably somewhere between 5-20% (early estimates were that only 5% of all cases were being identified, with 95% flying under the radar due to mild symptoms; the highest estimates I’ve seen is 20%).

Number of diagnosed cases requiring hospitalization: 20%
Number of hospitalized cases requiring intensive treatment: 25%

I think most papers agree on this ratio - here we have pretty firm numbers.

Estimated mortality rate for everyone infected with Covid-19: 0,3% - 1,0%, depending on your age group.

If you’re in the group that gets diagnosed, multiply the mortality by 10. This is Case Fatality Ratio, which is the number we see quoted all over the media. So if you’re thinking 3% of the population will die of Covid-19 (which I’ve seen some tweets imply), no. That is not likely to happen, absent apocalypse-like scenarios.

The mortality rate depends on your age group (as previously documented), as well as medical treatment. With adequate capacity allowing for proper treatment, SST believes mortality rate can be kept close to 0,3% (CFR of 3%). If the health services are overwhelmed (Italian situation), obviously the mortality rate will be significantly worse. Note that CFR is always going to be a guesstimate during an outbreak (because the recovery or death of many cases are yet to be determined).

Numbers below from the WHO report.
Average length of the disease from onset of symptoms: 2 weeks.
Average length of the disease for hospitalized cases: 3 - 6 weeks.
Average length of the disease for fatal cases: 2 - 8 weeks.

Obviously, this is a heavy strain on health services, and explains why the situation in Italy broke down quickly (there is no quick hospitalization and out again) and why all health professionals are so worried. Also why the UK plan of trying to handle ~800K hospitalizations over a 3-4 month period is… optimistic to say the least.

Anyway, those are the latest numbers as I am aware of them. Feel free to correct me, if you find any newer/better numbers. If you’re interested in more numbers, check out CoVid-19 Research and Statistics. I’ve mostly gone with the numbers from SST above since they reflect the official estimates of DK’s top medical experts and seem more or less in line with the papers I’ve read, but that page collects a lot of the published statistics (and sources them), so you can check up for yourself.

Watched this interview with Rachel Maddow and NY Times science reporter. worth watching.

No. The time from infection to death will be normally distributed. So this kind of jump does not indicate that the virus has an 18-fold increase in 11 days.

Analysing this data is hard. You can’t look at some stats and just use them.

The UK has implemented some measures earlier in the infection process than Spain and Italy and France. It may well implement more measures when it is still earlier in that process than Italy was when the lockdown began (see FifthFret’s link)

Ultimately the UK scientific advisors have determined that the genie is out of the bottle and this thing will go endemic. Eliminating it in one country doesn’t help in the long run unless you are willing to quarantine everywhere the disease is still circulating.

That doesn’t mean the CMO is making the right call. Maybe this thing is so lethal that elimination and quarantines is the only way. Certainly the numbers do not look good.

Yep, this is my biggest source of doubt about the UK strategy.

Then again if remesdivir or quinine made a really big difference I think we would have heard by now.

For the same reasons going even 7 days early means you get 2-3% infection in the first wave, not 10-20%. Which means you have to deal with an extra wave at some point.

Thanks. This was exactly the info I was hoping for. I have a much clearer picture of the difference between the responses now.

Something that occurred to me earlier reading another thread was that some TV shows are no longer under production. That’s a bummer if I wanted to watch some (ultimately) silly TV show, but I guess I can always watch reruns. But what about more important shows that are more timely? All of the late night TV shows are going to shut down, and Last week tonight is closed for now. OK, OK, I get it, those are still mostly entertainment, but I’ll really miss some of them.

But what about the actual news that we rely on?

And if that patterns repeats no matter which dates you take? Both confirmed cases and deaths follow an increase of 1000% every 10 days (6-12). @strategy’s link shows that for most countries without extreme measures in place for more than a week, the doubling time of confirmed cases is 2 to 3 days. Confirmed deaths track those growths pretty closely.

Doubling every 3 days is consistent with a 10 fold increase every 10 days or so. I see no reason why reported cases and deaths should show a faster growth than under-reported cases, unless the percentage of under-reported cases goes down significantly with time (it could make sense due to more testing, but also health service saturation would prioritize more and more the serious cases…).

Anyway, Italy is at 21k already. If we assume 80% of cases are underreported that would mean 105k real cases, if 90% are under-reported they are at 210k, so they are 5-10 days or so away from a million cases unless the containment measures kick in?

Here’s an interesting question that I couldn’t find an answer to. Nursing homes and assisted living facilities have mail rooms. The postal worker comes in and puts the mail in mailboxes like at an apartment building.

Nursing homes are now all shut down to non-essential visitors. Essential visitors are being screened at the door, temperature taken, quick questionair.

Can postal workers refuse to deliver mail if they don’t wish to be screened? Are you legally allowed to screen them or does that screening need to be voluntary? Does the postal service have regulations or guidelines?

If the post office is allowed to refuse delivery due to screening requirements, can a facility pick up mail at the post office and distribute to its residents or does federal law prohibit that?

I think this is going to be the future for some time if an effective treatment is not found early. Lots of travel bans and quarantines. to keep a second wave in check. Certainly the Chinese are planning on that (and already implementing it).

People finally panicking here. We have two confirmed cases in Orange County. Where I live. Chicken gone from the local Publix, as I related in another thread.

That’s not actually a real problem. Just open schools again and send people back to work, and the infection will start spreading again.

Seriously, if it was realistic to keep this thing limited to 2-3% infected, that would seem to be a brilliant situation. Part of the reason this has become a pandemic is that the world is/was unprepared - in the case of a second and subsequent waves, the world will be better prepared and authorities are much more likely to be able to contain it with limited restrictions.

Interesting thread…

UK Twitter member list of epidemiology and virology scientists. Might be useful.

https://twitter.com/i/lists/1238195614434934785

During Italy’s quarantine, Italian tenor Maurizio Marchini wanted to do something to spread joy amid all the sadness in Florence.
So he climbed on to his balcony and serenaded the entire town.

https://twitter.com/MuhammadLila/status/1238671011698151427