5913

If those kids come home to California or New York, they will be subject to shelter-in-place laws. No bars, no restaurants, no concerts, no obvious ways to infect the kids who stayed home for spring break. Just their idiot parents who let them go to Florida.

5914

These laws aren’t being very strictly enforced. I mean yeah, you can’t go to a bar, but these idiots can get together at their homes and continue to spread the virus.

You think some 19 year old who cared so little about Coronavirus this week is suddenly going to develop a respect for it when he gets home? Meanwhile, he infected 25 people between Florida and California between Ubers, planes, airports, etc.

5915

how many of them have a job at an essential service? a restaurant, or a grocery store, or a driver? Don’t kid yourself into thinking shelter in place, and how that is enforced is in any way adequate in terms of containment. All it is doing is slowing the spread.

When I was in college a significant percentage of my alma mater worked food service to help ends meet. Do yourself a favour and stop ordering out.

5916

He’s actually covering for his idiot boss. I couldn’t find it, but earlier I saw an entire video of Pence elbow bumps attached to a video of Trump handshakes. Here’s just one example of Pence bumping.

Pence has probably been sitting in Task Force meetings, knows this is the real deal, won’t shake hands himself but is such a kiss ass he’s compelled to make excuses for Trump.

5917

We need to build a wall.

5918

Dude, every non essential businesses in the entire state of Pennsylvania is closed.

5919

Oh. Well, shit, then we’re fine.

5920

Well, that goes for pretty much every single person around Trump, possibly with the exception of Dr Fauci (at least he is willing to contradict some of the worst nonsense that Trump bloviates). It’s painful how much ***kissing Trump requires every time one of his underlings opens their mouth to answer a question or inform about something. Today’s press conference in particular… yecch.

5921

It’s not that we’re fine, but you cannot reasonable say that we are not taking massive, drastic action.
The current response is entirely unprecedented.

And it will definitely help. We are dramatically reducing the number of social interactions among people. It will reduce the contagion rate.

5922

How long can we truly expect humans to socially isolate like this? Cuomo suggested it might be 4 months. But I don’t think people will be able to go 4 weeks.

But if this somehow does last 4 months, there are a ton of businesses that will never, ever come back. It’s not like we’ll suddenly go back to normal. It’ll take 20 years to get the economy back to where it was a few months ago.

5923

That seems unlikely. Rescource—>Manufacturing---->Service. Service is going to take a smashing, but the basis of the economy is going to be strong and ready to roll.

5924

Yeah, when this finally clears, i expect the economy will come back very strong.

5925

I think most of the US is doing enough to slow it down, to flatten the curve quite a lot. Shutting down most of the country for weeks will surely reduce R0. The ‘hump’ will still exceed the healthcare system’s capacity in some places, and some people are going to die gasping for air waiting for a ventilator.

The whole game here is to make sure you and your family stay healthy during the peak, or peaks in your area. They will learn to treat this thing, maybe by May.

5926

But people have to have money to spend it.

Let’s take my brother-in-law’s industrial design firm. He employes about 30 people in Pittsburgh. It’s doing fine - some years are great, some are just OK. His business has gone to zero. If this lasts more than a couple months, he’s going to have to shut down. And when this is “over,” a lot of his clients will have shut down by then, too. So even if he does recover a little, he won’t be able to hire back everyone.

That will be repeated in the tens of thousands.

Sorry for being doom and gloom. I just don’t have a clear vision of what recovery looks like.

5927

FedEx screwed up a delivery of some hardware for my work from home situation, so I wound up going to a local store after I had them reroute it. While there, two people handled the shop and an idiot customer was talking about how amazed he’s been with Trump holding such amazing, informative press conferences day after day. I was polite; he wasn’t talking to me, it wasn’t my place of business. I felt for those two guys stuck behind the counter; they each tried to find any reason they could to pull away, but the guy kept talking. I wonder if he’s still there …

5928

So you cancelled that trip to California?

5929

Nobody does. Hopefully governments have enough stimulus left for the kickstart after the shutdown. Deferral of certain payments can help a business survive just like a human. In true capitalist nature it will be about what businesses can survive and adapt. Workers should be able to find a job. Inheritance of assets, along with the lowering of real estate prices is going to play a grim role.

5930

All it takes is for someone they know to catch it, and it’ll get their attention. Once people in their area start dying I think you’ll find they will absolutely be able to quarantine themselves. The fear of death is a pretty strong motivator.

I agree. It’s not like a physical catastrophe that wipes out an area (such as a hurricane). This will leave all the physical infrastructure intact. Once we we’re able to socializing again, I think you’ll be surprised at how quickly the pieces go back together.

5931

Actually, yeah, it got cut in half because most of the folks coming the second half couldn’t come due to travel restrictions. And after, those of us who traveled, have been quarantined.

I’m not sure where you guys live, where things are going on as though they were normal.

5932

My senior-in-high-school daughter has gone all of ONE day without seeing her friends in person and she’s bouncing off the walls.

She came in to see me a few minutes ago with a proposal: How about she goes to see her friends, but they all meet outside and sit at least six feet apart? That’s OK right?

I asked her why she was willing to risk her mother’s life (my wife has a lung condition) to see her friends and she rolled her eyes and huffed upstairs.

We’re on DAY ONE.