Doing that is some scary shit. If you’ve ever been in a ward with vents you hear vent alarms going off all the time. The vent must be adjusted to help keep the patient alive. You lose that option with 2 and 4 patients. 1 ventilator for 4 is better than none, but chances are it won’t save them all. I hope it doesn’t come to that.

And I don’t want to rain on anyone’s parade about carmakers switching production to making vents, It isn’t going to happen in any kind of helpful timeframe. A ventilator manufacturer in England said it would take 8 months just to expand their production. They make them! Making vents is exceptionally difficult, requires experienced/highly trained staff, and has tolerances that probably eclipse anything the big U.S. carmakers have to deal with. As for Elon, he still has to build an expensive, sterile facility. Sure they have clean rooms, but I don’t think they can be retrofitted for this kind of production. I’d like to be wrong.

If anyone could have made the transition, Ferrari would have made the change already to save their Italian brethren.

Desperate times, man.

Oh oh. Now we have to worry about all the DNA points it’s been saving all along. Let’s hope we discover the cure before it mutates us into extinction…

Winner winner chicken dinner!

This is where bureaucracy is a good thing. Had Trump not dissolved the pandemic response team back in 2018, a team like that could actually have weekly meetings to refine the minutia in a detailed set of plans to implement … "stage 1…stage 2…etc up to “stage 5” and coordinate these with all the states.

Saying ‘essential personnel’ is one thing, defining it and getting agreement across all the states is exactly what bureaucracy is for. Consistency is so much better for reporting, for governors to take advantage of, etc.

Dictating minimum amounts of supplies / centralizing supplies is what bureaucracy is for. Making sure they aren’t expired and you have triggers for when they are distributed.

People bemoan government, but this pandemic is a great example for why we need it.

As it is, with no federal coordination, each state is left to its own devices.

This article is two days old and possibly outdated, but it claims New Orleans has more cases, per 100,000 people, than NYC. (From the article: 53 cases per 100k people in Seattle, 20 in NOLA, 5 in NYC.) Similarly, the state of Louisiana is 2nd only to Washington if measured in cases per 100k.

The governor and mayor have begun closing down the tourism industry, but New Orleans is just coming off of another big party weekend. Hopefully no one was contagious during Mardi Gras, which attracts about 1.5 million tourists.

Ugh. Just spoke to my friend who’s an ICU nurse down there. She hasn’t felt the brunt of it yet but she’s freaking out because she knows it’s about to hit. It’s like standing under an enormous wave that’s just creating before it crashes down on you.

She’s on the subway heading home and practically crying watching people with N-95 masks half hanging off their faces knowing she and her co-workers will soon be resorting to homemade masks.

It is a question of supply and demand. The same reason stores don’t have toilet paper is the reason hospitals don’t have masks and gloves. Nobody saw this coming. The suppliers have only so much available and the supply chain can only supply so much. Plus add in theft and hoarding.

Why do medical workers need to take the subway oh my God. Let’s get them private transport, Jesus.

Lots of people saw it coming. We just didn’t want to spend the money to keep on top of it.

It is coming in NYC, but not quite there yet. They’ve got about 4500-5000 cases right now in NYC, probably less than half that require hospitalization. 8,000 in the number of cases for New York state as a whole. And the reasons you can hear the sirens so clearly is that there’s no ambient traffic noise.

Things are bad. They’re going to get much worse. But that tweet seems to be a bit slanted towards some sensationalism, too.

In spain this is called a “Reino de Taifas”. is a governement so strongly divided in tiny areas that when a huge disaster happens, can’t fight it, because every entity is soo tiny that is hopeless against it.

No, a single hospital can’t fight a global pandemia. its a disaster of bigger proportions where every part of society need to do his part, and the govermenet the last push.

Exactly like if the country where facing a world war.

Wellcome back from the forum.
:D

In my swingy area, you can tell there’s a slowdown, but plenty of folks are treating it less seriously. I don’t think anyone is completely ignoring, there’s a belief it’s going to be here and bad but not yet so do things while you can.

Just went to fire up the Plague:Evolved and I see it’s been banned in China.

Once Madagascar is infected, I like ramp up the deadliness especially the ones that causes madness in humans.

Hmm my brother-in-law is officially an “essential worker” in London, delivering medical supplies; problem is he is 73. He’s very fit & healthy (touch wood) with no underlying health issues that I know of so hopefully he will be ok. They have changed procedures somewhat to limit the actual face to face contact he has which was of course pretty extensive before.

And a friend (not a close one) of my wife has passed away here in Surabaya due to Covid-19.

I fear what may happen here; a couple of days ago Indonesia had done just over 3,000 tests total in a country of 260-270 million.

You’re confident there will be workers?

Rather like a neutron bomb.

Seriously, recovery is a long, long time away. Depending on how you define recovery, I can’t decide whether to take the over or the under on a decade.

Lot depends on how lethal this is, who dies, and how quickly we lift restrictions

If this is a 6 month or so Boomer Remover, we’re going to have better recovery then if it this lingers with a lower death toll.

The Black Plague really increased prosperity for the lower-class folks who survived it due to a shortage of workers.

(For the sarcasm impaired, /s)

I used to work in the Emerg (as a Unit Coordinator) where my brother is now a physician, and I’ve seen it overcrowded and over capacity without a pandemic going on. Although this was 20 years ago, and things have improved there, plus they’ve also gone into full preparedness mode (starting about a week ago), if an Italy-like scenario comes our way, last resort efforts are definitely going to be required. No one in their right minds wants to do this. But given a choice of guaranteed death or doing crazy adaptations like this, I know my brother, and he’s going to go MacGyver on those respirators, and give people choices.

He doesn’t use social media, and he’s barely online, but yesterday I got the following mass email from him, he told me he sent it out of frustration with peoples’ behaviours, people who have shown up at his Emerg with full blown COVID-19 symptoms who have been tested and aren’t yet accounted for in the “positive” stats:

Hello All,

If you are receiving this email, it is because at some point in our lives, we have crossed paths or we have at least communicated via email. It is entirely possible that we haven’t spoken in decades, or perhaps you don’t even remember who I am. That doesn’t matter. I need your help. In fact, I am begging you for your help, and it is going to take a huge effort on your part.

I currently work as an Emergency Physician in Montreal, Quebec, Canada. Coronavirus, and the illness that it causes, COVID-19 is real, and we are seeing it all over North America. Your local healthcare providers are out there doing the best that they possibly can, but they can’t do it alone. They are all literally risking their lives to take care of people, but they need your help.

The number of infected patients is expected to increase over the next few weeks and months. We don’t know how long this will last and for how long our lives will be disrupted. This crisis is surreal, but it is not hopeless. There is something that each and every one of you can do to help save a life. You have probably heard the health authorities saying that we need to “flatten the curve” but I realize those few words might not mean that much to some of you. Let me explain what it means.

If numbers of infected Coronavirus cases spikes all at once, the healthcare system will get overwhelmed and won’t be able to take care of you or your loved ones. There is a finite number of nurses and doctors who can take care of patients, and there is also a finite number of hospital beds/medical equipment available. At some point, demand will exceed supply (available resources), and if that happens, people will die.

If, on the other hand, the curve of new cases is “flattened” and fewer new cases occur at the same time, we in the healthcare system can better care for you. If you need to be hospitalized, or even an ICU admission/ventilator support, there is a much better chance that will be available for you less people fall sick at the same time.

So, in short. If we aren’t overwhelmed, we can save your life. If we end up like Italy, many more people will die needlessly. This can have a direct effect on you or a loved one. This is not a random, abstract concept with no applicability to you.

How can you help?

Please follow the recommendations of your local government/health authority and practice social distancing. Your life, or that of a loved one may depend on it.

We are facing the largest crisis of our generation. COVID-19 has the potential to sicken MILLIONS of people in Canada and the United States. One of the ways that you can help stop that from happening is to separate yourselves completely from others. This will help slow the spread of this virus. If you are not out interacting with others, your chance of contracting this virus is slim.

Other important habits that must be remembered include regular hand washing and the need to avoid touching your face. Remember, the virus can remain on infected surfaces, which, if you touch and then touch your face, can result in infection.

I know a lot of people think that this virus is akin to getting a “bad cold”. While that is true for the majority of patients (approximately 82%), that still leaves a lot (18%) of people who could suffer moderate to severe illness. In practical terms, this is not a tiny number. 18 of 100 people can get pretty sick!!

Another misconception is that only the elderly and those already sick with other illness are at risk of a bad outcome. We also know this to be untrue. There are still a surprising number of young people (under 60 years old) requiring hospitalization with some of these young and otherwise healthy people even requiring ventilatory support in the ICU.

Please stay home. Don’t go out unless you absolutely need to. Feel free to go outside and take a walk; just keep a safe distance of 2 meters (6 feet) from other people.

I am attaching a really great audio clip from CNN. It is an interview Dr. Sanjay Gupta conducted with 2 doctors from Emory University. It demonstrates the sacrifice that people on the “front lines” are making for the greater good.

Think of them when you consider going out unnecessarily. Think of your elderly family members or those in society who are most vulnerable.

https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5hZGtuaXQuY29tL2FwcC1zZWFyY2gvY25uL2Nvcm9uYXZpcnVzLWZhY3QtdnMtZmljdGlvbi9hbGwvNzIwLzIwMC8&episode=YjBhNGIzYTY4ZDI4ZTYwZDhiYTNkMzBiY2E2MWNmNzYubXAz&hl=en-CA&ved=2ahUKEwj4zr-gr6noAhXhmOAKHVEwAaQQieUEegQIARAE&ep=6

We all really need you to do this so that we can avert an even greater disaster.

Wishing you all good health and hoping that we all get through this together quickly.

Please forward this to your entire email contact list. The message must get out.

Stay safe.

One of the weirder and scarier things he told me is that the Emerg was super quiet a couple of days ago (when I was speaking to him). He said he wasn’t seeing his usual caseload of real emergency cases like the heart attacks and strokes. I wondered where they were, and he said he had no clue, and that it didn’t make any sense. I really worry that people are staying home from the emergency past the point of reason, even with true emergencies, and the death toll from that will never be accounted for.