Dark and Darker: we aint talking bout stout.

Oh, there was a thread for this game!

Well, it’s starting to get more known

Ahh didn’t know there was a thread. I managed to get a couple of hours in the demo last week with a friend and it was pretty great! Played a bit of ranger and cleric and i liked both altho the ranger felt pretty weak fighting mosnters.

Will probably buy it whenever it releases (sounds like end of this year)

It looks pretty janky, in comparison with the last coop first person melee I have played, Darktide. Which in a way signals something: not everything is invented in videogames. Because if something this janky can blow up, it means the idea of playing a hard first person fabtast dungeon crawler is pretty good, good enough fo people to play it despite the jankiness.
Which means if a big company with budget would make a game like this, they could have a hit in their hands.

It is janky, and i think that lends it some charm. I do wish there was a little more to the combat, and I was really hoping for some more development going into this last play test, but i’m still really hyped on the game and it’ll be a day one purchase for me.

I would be really interested in this game if it was pure PvE, but I can’t deal with PvP stuff anymore.

I was trying to get into it, I really liked the look of the game, but couldn’t buy into the gameplay loop. It seemed kind of empty, I wanted more then just survive, get loot, pvp.

Cause if pvp is the endgame, then why not just play a barbarian that doesnt need equipment? I know theres a couple bosses. And leader boards.

I think Im missing the exploration, and quests. This game would be a fun mode to play inside of a larger dungeon delving game. Plus the combat, reminds me a lot of morrowind, swing swing swing. I know its slightly more complicated, with head shots, and directional blocking, but not by much.

Dark and Darker has been yanked from Steam due to a DMCA claim from Nexon.

@everyone . To all our fans, we have recently been served a cease and desist letter and DMCA takedown by Nexon regarding Dark and Darker based on distorted claims. We are currently working with our legal team to remedy this issue in the best manner possible. Due to the sensitive legal nature of this issue we must be careful with our statements so as to not jeopardize our position. We ask for your understanding as we work to get the game back up as quickly as possible. Please know that we will do all that is possible for our fans. Thanks!

they had a long response to this in their discord

the post goes on to say

They go on at length to describe the situation. Their claim is: the transfer to a private server was well known and acknowledged as a response to covid protocols. Ultimately the server was deleted and no information was used/transferred. He then left/was fired.

They then describe the DMCA takedown. Essentially, they’re saying almost all of the identical names are because the same assets were purchased. The remaining ones follow a recommended naming convention.

and the assets that appear identical

and finally close with:

I dunno. You tell me a guy and a third of his team jump ship to make the same game that was just cancelled, and I could see where Nexion is coming from. But from reading this it sounds like a whole lot of Nexion being pissy and not actually having any proof. I like the game a lot, and hope it gets made, but this doesn’t seem like a thing that will be resolved quickly.

I found this image of the canceled “p3” game in a blog from the announcement time

image

I can definitely see a strong resemblance lol. I can see why nexon might want to get mad at this but it also might have no actual basis

heh, ya, no kidding.

But still, they cancelled it. Plus, you have the same people, using the same engine and the same assets and ya, it’s probably going to look similar.

You gotta love a good private server story.

more info:

this was also just posted now:

I’ll say, i’ve read through a fair amount of the stuff they posted, and I definitely feel they’re in the right, here.

some other info:

I hope they can beat this. The second article, in particular, goes a bit into why it’s important. Imagine you could copyright something like ‘spaceships’ or ‘dungeons’. It’s just absurd, and it kind of makes me angry…

lol, yup, cause it’s the internet:

edit: removed gofundme link from above post for now

Just a bit of an update, and an observation. From their team lead(i think):

And I noticed this appeared in Steam:

Man, if that doesn’t scream “I dunno, just put something on there!”, nothing does. The website is also barebones, cycling two of the images listed on the steam page. That its developer and publisher have no other works, that it’s going to apparently arrive in July(2023!), and is titled and looks very similar to this game, leads me to believe it’s part of the legal shenanigans from Nexon.

I dunno, interesting times…

Curious if anyone is playing this game. I have a couple friends who were playing it so I decided to buy it yesterday and give it a try. I’ve never played Tarkov but have played a game called Vigor which is the same idea. I like the theme better in this game but Vigor definitely has more going on. I find extractions a bit frustrating right now as it seems a bit random unlike Vigor where you always know where to exit the map and it’s just a matter of pressing your luck on how much loot you want to try and get before leaving. I’ve only got to play solo so far so I’m looking forward to trying this out with others in my party to see how that changes the feel of the game.

I remain super-interested in it, even though i haven’t yet bought it. I’ve been waiting for them to sort out their legal issues and get themselves back on steam. I’ve just recently read that their legal issues are now mostly sorted (the US filings apparently dismissed, and the korean ones on a similar path), so maybe i’ll bite, though i’m a little weary of using their own store (versus steam/epic/etc).

As far as the game goes, i enjoy it even though i’m lukewarm on extraction games. For me, the random extraction points are what really works for me - i hate camped extraction points, which you get a lot less of here.

I’ve been back into extraction shooters and playing a lot of Marauders and Lost Light. Some A Torn Path to Renown and a bit of Dark and Darker.

Definitely preferring the more casual approach of the first two. I also like how they are both very solo friendly.

While Dark and Darker is still marred with legal issues, another contender has appeared

But I want a pure pve experience, not all this Tarkov-like malarkey :( :(

Yeah, I agree. There are rumors it will be coming to Dark and Darker, but no such luck yet.