Debt ceiling hit

CheesyPoof · 2011-07-29T17:35:43.000Z

Hugin:

The Democrats have already compromised on their position, coming way, way over to the general Republican budget philosophy, and the Republicans have refused to accept even that. You can’t possibly not be aware of this.

You’ll get more quarter from jjz. I don’t even know why you continue to engage.

RyanMichael · 2011-07-29T17:36:28.000Z

Tabled! 59-41.

Brettmcd · 2011-07-29T17:42:33.000Z

Jasper Phillips:

God damn but I love seeing conservatives rip into Brettmcd. You guys give me hope the GOP will have some impetus to sort its craziness out after this debacle.

What conservatives are those? There aren’t many of them here at qt3, and I havent seen any of them post in this thread recently.

hong · 2011-07-29T17:47:12.000Z

Brettmcd:

No I completely understand, neither party wants to give the other a win.

Indeed, the Republicans are rather uncooperative, don’t you agree?

JeffL · 2011-07-29T17:53:26.000Z

So, is refusing a vote a better/more fruitful approach than modifying it and sending it back to the House?

Brettmcd · 2011-07-29T17:53:44.000Z

hong:

Indeed, the Republicans are rather uncooperative, don’t you agree?

BOTH sides are uncooperative. Even before the balanced budget amendment crap was added to the bill the senate would never have voted in favor of the bill from the house. Again they would rather destroy the worlds economy then give the repubs a win, just like the repubs would do the same to deny the dems a win.

JeffL · 2011-07-29T17:57:37.000Z

BTW, who were the 6 Republicans who voted to table the House bill in the Senate?

hong · 2011-07-29T18:01:51.000Z

Brettmcd:

BOTH sides are uncooperative.

Indeed, the Republicans are very uncooperative, wouldn’t you agree?

Eric_T_Cheng · 2011-07-29T18:05:37.000Z

JeffL:

BTW, who were the 6 Republicans who voted to table the House bill in the Senate?

I thought they were going to vote it down? So what happens when the table the bill? Are they going to modify it?

hong · 2011-07-29T18:07:07.000Z

The Senate has already voted it down.

Papageno · 2011-07-29T18:18:16.000Z

JeffL:

BTW, who were the 6 Republicans who voted to table the House bill in the Senate?

Per NPR, they were Senators that didn’t consider the House bill conservative enough! OMGWTFBBQ! I’d be curious to find out who they were as well. Would C-Span have that info?

Brettmcd · 2011-07-29T18:27:23.000Z

hong:

Indeed, the Republicans are very uncooperative, wouldn’t you agree?

BOTH sides are uncooperative. I can use smaller words if you like as what I wrote before seems to have confused you in some way.

Brettmcd · 2011-07-29T18:30:01.000Z

Papageno:

Per NPR, they were Senators that didn’t consider the House bill conservative enough! OMGWTFBBQ! I’d be curious to find out who they were as well. Would C-Span have that info?

From the cspan front page

The Senate voted 59-41 to table, or discard, the House bill, after which Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) brought up his version of a debt ceiling bill, which lasts through 2012 and cuts $2.2 billion in spending. 6 Republicans joined 51 Democrats and two Independents to table the Boehner plan. Republicans voting to table were: DeMint (SC), Graham (SC), Hatch (UT), Lee (UT), Paul (KY), and Vitter (LA).

hong · 2011-07-29T18:32:29.000Z

Brettmcd:

BOTH sides are uncooperative.

Indeed, the Republicans are very much more uncooperative, wouldn’t you agree?

I can use smaller words if you like as what I wrote before seems to have confused you in some way.

Indeed, your posts are fascinating as an illustration of the optimal strategy for playing chicken.

Soapyfrog · 2011-07-29T18:34:06.000Z

If one side makes massive concessions, and the other side makes even more demands, which side is being uncooperative?

Murbella · 2011-07-29T18:34:57.000Z

Both sides are being uncooperative?

Brettmcd · 2011-07-29T18:35:18.000Z

http://http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2011/07/nancy_pelosi_declines_further.html

Apparently passing the republican plan and budget will destroy life as we know it on the planet. At least according to Nancy Pelosi.

billt721 · 2011-07-29T18:38:53.000Z

Brettmcd:

No I completely understand, neither party wants to give the other a win. And I think you dont comprehend what the word fake means. If the dems passed this bill the debt ceiling would increase and we would not default on the 2nd. Sounds pretty real to me.

Well, that’s all true I guess. But we absolutely would default in 6 months. That constitutional amendment doesn’t have a remote chance of passing. So what’s the point really? Give all the millionaires time to get out of the stock market?

Brettmcd · 2011-07-29T18:39:42.000Z

Soapyfrog:

If one side makes massive concessions, and the other side makes even more demands, which side is being uncooperative?

Of course the fact that there was a plan being worked on last week between both sides and then the president is the one who made more demands for another 400 billion in taxes and got that plan scrapped escapes you.

Brettmcd · 2011-07-29T18:42:20.000Z

billt721:

Well, that’s all true I guess. But we absolutely would default in 6 months. That constitutional amendment doesn’t have a remote chance of passing. So what’s the point really? Give all the millionaires time to get out of the stock market?

I wish they hadnt of put in the balanced budget amendment vote in there, but even before that was put in the dems were refusing to pass the increase.

So they knew the outcome was no different either way so they gave themselves political cover on a vote they knew the outcome of so they could make a political point.

Gee thats kinda like the explanation I always get of people excusing the vote Obama made against the debt increase in 06. The outcome was never in doubt so he got to make a political vote…