Debt ceiling hit

Murbella · 2011-07-29T18:42:51.000Z

How dare he expect the republicans to make concessions as well? How uncooperative of him!

Linoleum · 2011-07-29T18:44:09.000Z

Brettmcd:

Of course the fact that there was a plan being worked on last week between both sides and then the president is the one who made more demands for another 400 billion in taxes and got that plan scrapped escapes you.

You state facts which, in reality are not. Everybody on the forum merely thinks you ill-informed however, not malevolently disingenuous.

Soapyfrog · 2011-07-29T18:49:43.000Z

Brettmcd:

Of course the fact that there was a plan being worked on last week between both sides and then the president is the one who made more demands for another 400 billion in taxes and got that plan scrapped escapes you.

Heaven forbid taxes should be raised to reduce the defecit.

Did the Republicans compromise on some taxes? Any taxes? Even closing tax loopholes? No? HMMMMMMMMM.

hong · 2011-07-29T18:51:28.000Z

Brettmcd:

Of course the fact that there was a plan being worked on last week between both sides and then the president is the one who made more demands for another 400 billion in taxes and got that plan scrapped escapes you.

Indeed, the president made the mistake of thinking the Republicans wanted to balance the budget. In reality, of course, they simply want lower taxes.

JeffL · 2011-07-29T19:23:54.000Z

Brettmcd:

From the cspan front page

Well, I assume not all of those voted against it because it wasn’t conservative enough, looking at the list.

Lum · 2011-07-29T19:40:32.000Z

Brettmcd:

Even without the balanced budget amendment attached Reid was refusing to even have a vote on it. But dont let that fact get in the way of anything.

And don’t let the fact that the House leadership walked out of bipartisan talks and did not negotiate with the party that, you know, controls the Senate and ignoring completely every message of what parts of the bill would make it dead on arrival at all stop you.

Brettmcd:

What conservatives are those? There aren’t many of them here at qt3, and I havent seen any of them post in this thread recently.

Conservative != tea party Republican.

Brettmcd · 2011-07-29T19:54:38.000Z

Lum:

Conservative != tea party Republican.

Obviously I know that, as I am neither a republican or a tea party follower.

Timex · 2011-07-29T19:55:09.000Z

Do you consider yourself a conservative, lum?

Lum · 2011-07-29T19:57:20.000Z

A moderate one, yes.

madkevin · 2011-07-29T19:59:06.000Z

Brettmcd:

Obviously I know that, as I am neither a republican or a tea party follower.

Right. You merely defend them constantly here in P&R because of a gypsy curse.

John_Reynolds · 2011-07-29T20:25:14.000Z

I was a registered Republican from 1984 to 2000. Only political party I’ve ever belonged to, or ever will.

JeffL · 2011-07-29T21:02:32.000Z

I consider myself a moderate conservative. In fact, I used to have stalkers here due to my conservative views.

But conservative has little to do with today’s Republican party.

Houngan · 2011-07-29T21:10:31.000Z

I’m the cliche fiscal conservative and social liberal. I long for the day when fiscal conservatism is back on the menu.

H.

Rob_Merritt · 2011-07-29T21:10:53.000Z

When I was growing up Ronald Reagan was a hero to me. I was registered Republican from 1987 till 1995 and still I voted mostly Republican until 2000 and even then I voted for Republicans in state elections up until recently. Now I wish I could retroactively go back in time and reverse those votes. I’m so ashamed at how ignorant I was when I was young. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not thrill with the Democrats either but at least they aren’t actively courting crazy people who want to destroy this country.

Brettmcd · 2011-07-29T21:16:58.000Z

Houngan:

I’m the cliche fiscal conservative and social liberal. I long for the day when fiscal conservatism is back on the menu.

H.

So you are a libertarian basically? Id be willing to be we actually agree on many social issues.

Houngan · 2011-07-29T21:25:09.000Z

Brettmcd:

So you are a libertarian basically? Id be willing to be we actually agree on many social issues.

Probably so, since social issues aren’t dictated by greed. Brett, I’m impressed by your logevity in the face of being constantly proven wrong, but how can you persist yapping about things that are easily understood to be the opposite of your belief?

H.

Brettmcd · 2011-07-29T21:30:38.000Z

Houngan:

Probably so, since social issues aren’t dictated by greed. Brett, I’m impressed by your logevity in the face of being constantly proven wrong, but how can you persist yapping about things that are easily understood to be the opposite of your belief?

H.

Hmm I post something nice and neutral and you have to come back like a troll and an asshole. Sadly it doesn’t surprise me much.

ckessel · 2011-07-29T21:39:53.000Z

madkevin:

Right. You merely defend them constantly here in P&R because of a gypsy curse.

Brett is trying really hard to be the most hated guy on Qt3. He got my vote.

JeffL · 2011-07-29T21:43:45.000Z

This is P&R guys. We ought to be able to disagree with someone, even vehemently, and not “hate” them. No need for any of it to get personal - we can be bigger than that, it’s not like we’re Congressmen or anything. ;)

In other news, McConnel (sp) is now saying he will only negotiate with Obama, not Reid. These guys have become so incredibly full of themselves, even more than the standard Washington ass.

Houngan · 2011-07-29T21:45:53.000Z

Brettmcd:

Hmm I post something nice and neutral and you have to come back like a troll and an asshole. Sadly it doesn’t surprise me much.

Not at all, that’s my friendly assessment. Your main concern should be why, despite your great efforts, no one takes you seriously. I’ve learned a hell of a lot from the folks around here becuse when I get called on an assumption I click the links and make sure I’m right. If I’m not, I change. That’s maturity.

H.