Dems 2019: Dem Hard With A Vengeance


#1362

That’s my take too but some House Democrats wrote a letter to Pelosi and now she and Shumer are asking that Omar apologize.

Also for reference, McCarthy’s attacks against wealthy (and Jewish) Democratic activists as well as George Soros.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/28/politics/tom-steyer-mccarthy-tweet/index.html


#1363

Republicans have realized that Israel is a topic that can divide Democrats, so they’ve worked hard to make it impossible to criticize Israel without being called an anti-semite. And Democrats, who are the ones who actually care about Israel for more than a talking point, are enabling that behavior.

It sucks, because Israel does plenty of stuff to be ashamed of (and I say that as a Jew), so not being able to talk about it limits our ability to make change.

It is totally possible to criticize the things Israel does while still loving Israel and supporting them. But it’s currently not politically viable.


#1364

Yeah wow, this is pretty crazy. What she said in no way was anti-semetic. It was anti-Israeli lobbying groups.

And is part of a lot of the freshmen democrat’s class of calling out deep money organizations that have a massive influence on politicians.


#1365

This, absolutely. And those groups are going to push back hard.

All that said, I wish Omar had chosen a less snarky way to phrase it. “It’s all about the benjamins” can be interpreted as “Jews use their money to control the world,” instead of a comment about the influence of big money on our politics.

She should probably clarify this.


#1366

I mean, she did later. And I would guess about 70% of people would have recognized that as a rap lyric, and not some weird allusion to jews and money. That is a bit of a leap, and one of those things that make me think people are racist for pointing that out. Like… it is a p-diddy lyric. That was the first thing that came to my mind.


#1367

given that they are also active hackers, I suspect all about the pentiums would have worked too?


#1368

70% of Americans will recognize a rap lyric? :) Even then, it’s a snarky take that can be easily misinterpreted. You have to be careful about racial stereotypes, and “jews control everything with their money” has an ugly history.


#1369

Yeah, but this is politics. Anything critical of Israel is magically anti-Semitism.


#1370

Omar issues an apology.
Wonder if the media will compare and contrast this to Steve King (or any of the birthers).
/s, because of course they won’t.


#1371

Well, unfortunately, even though she is right, that second paragraph isn’t going to help matters. This will be FOX News’ headline for 24 hours.


#1372

That’s a pretty good apology. None of that “I’m sorry if you were offended…” crap, and she clarifies what her real intent was.


#1373

If only she had said it was all about the Pentiums.


#1374

#1375

If you’re a Republican, you never have to apologize. Just the way it is.

Someone should give this article to Klobuchar and Booker.

Mitch McConnell boasted that he pressured Republicans to refuse to compromise with any of the Obama administration’s priorities in his first two years (“We worked very hard to keep our fingerprints off of these proposals. Because we thought — correctly, I think — that the only way the American people would know that a great debate was going on was if the measures were not bipartisan.”).

Yet after Republicans won control of Congress on the shoulders of a tea party wave of debt hysteria in 2010, a conventional wisdom took hold that President Obama needed to get Republicans to make a deal. Most outside observers conceded that the congressional GOP might not be the easiest negotiating counterparty. Still, Obama was widely held to bear a share of the blame for his inability to get Republicans to make a deal. He didn’t play enough golf with them, or drink enough with them, or “lead.” The idea that Obama could and should force Republicans to make deals with him was pure conventional wisdom for years on end.


#1376

I talked with a friend and office-mate about Omar’s comments. He is a devout, practicing Jew who is extremely pro-Israel (as you might expect)

I too was confused at why the tweets were considered anti-semitic, and wanted him to shed some light on what I was missing.

He read and thought everything over, but ultimately didn’t see any reason why that should be considered anti-semitic… so I personally remain perplexed by all the hoopla.


#1377

Because nobody speaks for everyone else in their demographic. If you can’t understand how people interpret something differently than you do, it may be you’re not working very hard at it ;)


#1378

“It’s all about the Bibi” would have been too obvious, you Hitlers.


#1379

Heil ask you not to call me that. You don’t want to start a furher here.


#1380

Support for the fascist Israeli regime comes in America from Jews who have bought the fear propaganda coming partly from the GOP (ironically considering their simultaneous support of white supremacists) and partly from certain synagogues (mostly but not all Orthodox). These people feel like their identity is under existential threat from hordes of slavering subhuman monsters who the Israelis are justified in persecuting and murdering, because it’s not murder to kill a monster.

It’s a real triumph for the Israeli Conservatives that they’ve achieved this propaganda victory in both the US and the UK. They’ve managed somehow to convince many otherwise nonpartisan (as regards Israeli politics) organizations that criticizing the Israeli government is antisemitic.

In this particular case, there was a suggestion of cui bono from Omar with the remark “it’s all about the benjamins” which of course in itself has nothing to do with Jews. But the pro-Netanyahu propagandists seized eagerly on the remark to say that it was antisemitic due to the old slur on Jews preferring money to virtue.


#1381

It’s a bit over the top to describe Israel as a fascist state.