Yeah, truly. I know, because two weeks ago (approx) I was grinding for one Strange coin for a few hours. I spent hours looking for public events, and doing Crucible too, hoping I could get one strange coin so that I could upgrade my favorite weapon in the game so far (the Mida Multitool). Sadly it didn’t happen.

The “end game content” that’s exclusively things you do at the end of the game is the two raids, “Vault of Glass” and “Crota’s End”. Those things can’t be done without teams and a high enough level character.

The rest of what people mean when they talk about the end game stuff is the progression of how you get up to those higher levels. That’s referring more to things like the “Weekly Heroic Strike” and “Nightfall” missions, which are story missions from the regular game, but with amped up difficulty and rewards.

So once you hit level 20, or the end of your first run through the story missions, whichever comes first, that’s when the game starts to change, because that’s when all the systems about how you acquire and improve better gear start to matter.

Those systems are not well explained though, at least not all of them, and that’s a frustrating part of the game. On one hand, I want to tell you to just play at your own pace and do whatever you’re having fun with, learn it as you go, but I also want to give you a bunch of complicated guidelines and priorities for how best to spend your time and resources to optimize your progression.

I won’t dump a bunch of info on you right now, but here’s one example:

You can find “Ascendant Energy” and “Ascendant Shards” as you play. They’re part of the required materials for upgrading “Legendary” weapons and armor, respectively. There’s going to be a point in the game where you’ll have a few and wonder what the point is. There’s going to be a point in the game where you can’t find enough fast enough. Then there’s going to be a point in the game where they’re piling up in your inventory, largely forgotten.

The public events you stumble upon have a chance to award you with one of these ascendant materials immediately upon completion, and for the first public event you get gold in once a day, you’ll also get a package from the postmaster at the tower that has a high likelihood of awarding you ascendant materials as well (after your first every day, there’s still that chance you’ll get an award for public events, but you won’t get another postmaster reward until the next day). Even less obviously, when you go to the postmaster and claim that reward, you get experience.

So ideally, long before the game has made it clear you’re going to want a lot of ascendant materials, you should be doing at least one public event every day for the reward, because it’s fairly simple and will help down the road. And once you start acquiring weapons and armor that can be leveled up, you also want to be conscious of what you have equipped when you claim that postmaster reward so the experience bonus there goes into the right gear.

Destiny is full of systems like this, and there’s certainly some entertainment and satisfaction in discovering how they work, but I think they left too much of it unclear. I often wonder how much fun I’d be having if I hadn’t been in from day one, and reading reddit on my lunch breaks to keep up as the community figures this stuff out.

So feel free to shout if you’ve got questions any time, I’m always happy to ramble on about it. You’ll have to figure out the balance on your own though, between the potential for frustration with unclear game systems, and the frustration of feeling like you’ve got to do homework just to play the game right.

That’s a really negative note to end this post on, so I should reiterate: this game can be really frustrating, but I really really like playing it.

Hell yeah. Virtual fistbump. Same here. I would actually go as far as to say that this game has the most satisfying shooting I’ve ever experienced. You have to find the weapon that gels the most with you, but shooting with the Mida Multitool? Or how about the Invictus Shotgun? Or the Last Word handcannon and it’s unique twirling animation? Come on. It’s so badass. Yes, the rest of the game isn’t perfect, but god damn, the shooting almost is perfect.

Whirling around and popping a rushing Thrall in the head with the Fatebringer and laughing as he and all his friends explode is satisfying every single time.

I should really get around to upgrading my Last Word.

It stops being badass the hundredth time you are killed while spinning your gun.

I do concur with the general feeling though… Destiny is at times incredibly frustrating, but is also incredibly fun and I’ve been playing the hell out of it for 4 months now.

Two guys on Reddit recorded their stats for 200 Roc Strikes:

LOOT TABLES: (based on 400 drops 200 for me and 200 for roommate)

Rare Armour Engrams: 432 (1.08 per strike)

Rare Weapon Engrams: 200 (0.5 per strike)

Legendary Armour Engram: 11 (1 every ~36 strikes)

Legendary Weapon Engram: 9 (1 every ~44 strikes)

Exotic Weapons: 8 (1 every 50 strikes) icebreaker, hardlight, hawkmoon, 4th horseman x2, monte Carlo x2, No Land Beyond Legendary Ship: 12 (1 every ~33 strikes)

Mote of light: 28 (1 every ~14 strikes)

Strange Coin: 12 (1 every ~33 strikes)

More stats in the post: http://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/2svx0d/my_roommate_and_i_played_200_roc_strikes_here_are/

Interesting info, particularly how rare Strange Coins were in light of this weekend’s adventures in coin hunting. I think they’re only listing the end of strike rewards, not any engrams that decrypted to Strange Coins, or coins resulting from Cryptarch or Faction level-up rewards, but even considering that, 1 coin every 33 strikes sounds even worse than what we were seeing. Maybe pushing an alt to level 12 for those last two coins instead of continuing strikes was a good idea after all.

I’ve been meaning to give a smirk at the Dark Tower reference for a week, finally remembered to do it. As ye say sai Gunslinger, there’ll be water if god wills it.

Made 20, swapped gear to become 29.

I don’t have a legendary gun on this second character and I got Suros in the Gorgon chest.

Hell
YEAH

Holy shit Chaplin! Congrats, congrats, congrats!

Seems like there are a decent number of folks playing these days. Anyone up for a QT3 Raid tonight (Either Crota or VoG) for Playstation folks?

If you don’t mind a raid newbie and only level 29, I’d be down!

Jumping on momentarily, up for whatever.

Last night was the first time I bothered soloing the lamp section of Crota’s End with my Hunter, thanks to Don’t Touch Me. Just got some extra Radiant Energy for my trouble, but it was still pretty funny slooooowly, invisibly, walking away from packs of Thrall over and over.

I call the don’t touch me gloves the “cheater gloves”. It’s hilarious how easy that section is when you have those… even without them, it’s fairly easy to sneak through as a hunter with the right build and the Mida multi-tool.

Dang it, that was yesterday now I’m sad. I want a Fatebringer, though I have only done HM VoG once and I will likely not do it again since I don’t actively search for groups on destinglfg or Reddit or any other place.

Just posted this on the other forum where I am most active (HTF), anything you guys would add?


More on light levels: This is Bungie’s biggest departure from traditional MMO design IMO, and it’s an interesting twist with both pros and cons. In my case it allows for fast builds of near identical characters. If you want one of each class tho it introduces some challenge.

You will want to start moving to higher light level blue gear as soon as you can, start doing the vanguard strikes to get engrams. You will be lucky to find some that max at 15 light and that will get you to near level 25, you might get really lucky and find some that are 18-20 but those are rare.

Then you will want to do a few additional things:
-Do Eris’s Urn quest to get 33 light max gloves.
-Grind to vanguard level 2-3 using bounties and strikes to unlock your class gear which maxes at 33
-Using the vanguard marks you have saved from strikes buy a chest (pref) or legs
-Keep turning in engrams and hope the cryptarch gives you a legendary and the legendary turns into 33 light armor for a slot you don’t already have
-Keep doing strikes and bounties until you level up your vanguard rank a few more times and hope the vanguard reward gives you a legendary and the legendary turns into 33 light armor for a slot you don’t already have
-Once you hit 25-27 do the weekly 2 weeks in a row. Depending on the level you choose to do it on you can get 6 or 9 coins as a reward. 13 coins = an exotic from Xur. Hope Xur is selling a slot you don’t already have a 33 light armor. Exotic armor maxes at 36 light. You need 4 36 light armor pieces to make level 32. So your other 3 slots have to come from the Crota raid.
-Once you hit 27 start doing the weekly nightfall. Nightfall rewards include legendary and exotic gear, coins, shards or energies. Hope RNGeesus blesses you with something cool.
-Once you hit 27 find someone with a Hard Mode Gorgon Checkpoint and hope you get an exotic from the chest. This is how I got Suros Regime on my brand new character. I hit 20, swapped gear, became 29, got a checkpoint, opened the chest and RNGeesus hit me with a Suros.
-Once you hit 27 start doing VoG if you dare. Hope that you find an exotic or two along the way and that you get an Atheon’s Epilogue or Vision of Confluence from doing Atheon.
-Once you hit 27 EVERY WEEK you must go into Crotas End and open the free chest at the beginning and get free radiant materials.
-Once you hit 30 start doing VoG hard mode if you dare =) Hope the Templar drops a Fatebringer for you. Hope you get a Vex Mythoclast from Atheon.
-Once you hit 30 start doing at least the first two parts of Crotas end. They are challenging and a lot of fun, more so than VoG IMO.
-When you can, end Crota. Hope you get a Black Hammer or Hunger from him.

After the initial hump new light levels hit at every 12 light. To get level 30 you need 120 light. To get Level 31 you need 132 light. To get level 32 you need 144 light. Legendary gear maxes at 33 light, raid legendary gear maxes at 36 light. You can only wear one exotic so to make level 32 you will need either an exotic and 3 raid legendaries or 4 raid legendaries and no exotic. You can wear quite a mix of stuff to make level 31 tho, so concentrate on that. 31 is a much bigger jump than 32. Very few people are 32 yet so it’s no big deal. I should finally hit 32 tonight on one character, it will take me another month to get 32 on all 3 unless hard mode Crota is not that big of a challenge. We’ll see.

Hard Mode Crota starts tomorrow!
House of Wolves still to come, so all of this will be reworked and turned upside down when that hits. Welcome to pseudo-MMO life!

Good luck!

Wholly here is that story your friend was telling us about:

I’m adding you to my Xbox friends list now!

EDIT: Dude that is a huge gamerscore you have.

Yes. I have a problem.

Wholly and Kadath, thanks for explaining all that. That’s actually where I am in the game right now, after about three weeks. I think I got my main guy up to 26 or 27 last night. I just wasn’t getting any purple armour, but I finally realized I could buy some vanguard stuff at rank 2 with them (not 3 like with the guns). Also the note about doing public events- I didn’t realize you got the ascendant materials from those. I have a purple hand cannon, machine gun, and rocket launcher all waiting on them. Looks like I get to grind those for a bit. Luckily, I found destinypublicevents.com, and it’s actually worked amazingly well.