metta
2681
Well, yeah, especially if one is trying to play the game without killing anybody. Either you’re an RPG with moral and character choices, or you’re an action game with levelling up and a character development tree. At least the game is so hot I’ll get almost full price when I trade it in.
See, my experience so far has been that the game wants me to reload 4-5 times every 3 minutes. I agree that I enjoy games where I don’t need to do that much more; DXHR just isn’t one of those. After the massive amounts of reloading I had to do for stealth and hacking, reloading for arbitrary conversation fails was second nature.
For what it’s worth, I’m not finding any significant delays in saving or loading. Maybe because I’m playing it from a SSD, I don’t know, but if it takes more than a few seconds to load a save game, it’s because it’s crashed. Which it does. Frequently.
Equis
2683
Technically, you don’t have to reload after every stealth and hacking bit either. The game doesn’t overtly punish you with a fail state if you don’t succeed at this elements. Often, there’s a workaround, or a way to “reset” the game state where you can progress again.
The only time I reloaded every 1 min was the boss fights. Yeah. The boss fights suck in the overall scheme of design. At least give me alternative methods to solving those situations.
Well, except for losing 750 XP, and the security bots popping out of the walls. Seriously, there are a lot of places in the game where a random failure does have significant effects. It’s not like setting off an alarm in Bioshock.
I finally managed to beat the bit we’ve been talking about… but it cost me the “pacifist” achievement.
Friggin’ Hangsha fight
[spoiler]The problem is that when I EMP the bot, it explodes, killing any nearby soldiers. Which makes it easier to win, of course, but means I just dumped the “nonlethal” achievement I’ve been nursing for 90% of the game. The way I solved the fight, I bought the 5th battery, charged up on protein goo, and turned on cloaking before I had to face the heavies. The infantry can’t kill you quickly, but the guys with the miniguns^H^H^H “heavy rifles” can kill you in seconds if you’re close. They can’t shoot you if they can’t see you, and I’d already maxed the cloak earlier in the game to deal with other problems.
If you take out the bot and the heavies quickly, the rest aren’t doing that much damage to the helicopter. I decided I cared more about saving the pilot than keeping the nonlethal achievement. After this firefight, I have no desire to try going for nonlethal again. Fuck that shit, seriously.[/spoiler]
Timex
2685
Ya, I think part of the problem is that folks are thinking that they need to do things “perfectly”.
If you set off an alarm, or have to kill someone, or “lose” a conversation… that’s not the end of the world. The game goes on.
If you’re reloading at those points, then you’re basically just imposing that upon yourself.
Jag
2686
I’ve been playing games this way since the Vic-20 days when you had to reload off a cassette tape (ie: go have dinner). What makes you think I’m going to change my gameplay habits now.
I really enjoy the sneaky but deadly approach; I won’t go out of my way to spare lives, even if it means not gaining as much XP, but I do tend to approach situations with a stealthy mindset; I really like the whole “pick off one by one” approach and usually works well. That said, the 10mm feels a bit weak, even upgraded, and I’m straying more and more to using crossbow/sniper + assault rifle.
WarrenM
2688
I think I said this because but that’s my play style now as well. I will stealth and sneak for as long as it benefits me. As soon as someone gets in my way and spots me, the killing starts. It’s really in their best interests NOT to spot me…
Okay - somebody please tell me that I get access to more ammunition at some point. I mean, I spent last night mostly trying to make a goddamn basket with my super arm and failing miserably (new plan - Globetrotter that shit and build some stairs), and I actually managed to hack my way into some unexplained garage and get another non-lethal option, but it seems like there are WAY more bullets for guns I’ve decided I’m not going to use than there are darts full of elephant tranquilizer.
docvego
2690
For those following along the first text string was:
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Both are pulled from Blues News, haven’t seen any decode yet. And yes, I already drank my Ovaltine today.
Razgon
2691
Get the stun gun as well - it works wonderfully - Also, remember there are merchants in every area that will sell ammo to you.
And search every nook and cranny!
Cal
2692
I play on hard, and between the millions of secret places and the gun runners hidden around im forever having to drop ammo as i have stack after stack of most ammo.
You need to look around some more, so many hidden places with ammo, and a few hidden Gun runner dudes who have plenty to sell.
Grifman
2693
Sure people can do that, but they shouldn’t complain about it then :)
Timex
2694
Ya, the alternative is that you can somehow play the game “perfectly”, without reloading ever… but that would mean that the game was far too easy. There would be no challenge.
A game that you can play pretty easily, but which gets very difficult if you want to reach absolute perfection in it? Ya, that’s generally considered a feature of good game design.
I know it’s part of the game and forces one to count it’s shots but really, this guy (Jensen) is the head of security of a major corporation and he doesn’t have an armory? He can’t simply walk into Sarif’s office and ask for his boss to buy a couple of crates of the damn thing?
Okay. I guess I just haven’t met the merchants yet. I’m still wandering around inexplicably nighttime Detroit. Didn’t really feel like giving the minstrel show lady any cash, so maybe I’ll check up with her. I am also tossing guns and ammunition everywhere, mostly because guns are freaking huge and every time I drop something (like beer) I almost immediately find a use for it (like minstrel show lady).
I actually am hacking into everything and everywhere I can get to, which I suspect is going to come with some negative consequences at some point, since I’m pretty sure somebody is going to take exception to me crawling around in their offices and finding out about their various and sundry misdeeds. I don’t suppose that one of the eyeball/radar/interface upgrades you can get makes junk you can pick up glow green, does it? I saw that the vision cones I wanted were a little bit further down the line, but that doesn’t solve my problem with the fact that I only found that first Praxis pack that I absolutely KNEW had to be there (because the tutorial popped up) the second time I went through the first mission. For all I know, I’m leaving entire sackloads of tranquilizer darts in my wake because my stupid brains can’t tell the difference between a blue box I can’t pick up and a blue box I can pick up.
Also, another dumb question - how come I only get the Scholar bonus sometimes when I read the inexplicably short eBooks?
What part of the game are you in? I mentioned late game ammo availability in one of my earlier spoiler tags. For the rest of the game, I don’t think they give you enough to use one gun exclusively unless you really pay attention. I mostly did takedowns for the first half of the game, so I didn’t have ammo problems until near the end.
You don’t want to start down this road.
You must be new to RPGs.
DXHR definitely supports some bad old genre habits with its constant looting. I’m stunned how much of it there was.
Well if you can settle for yellow, you can turn that on in the gameplay options.
Oh I’ve been wanting to comment on something for days now: after Jensen punches through a wall, does anyone think he looks like a stiff/awkward Neo with his arm up in the air like that? I can’t remember the scene from the Matrix I’m thinking of.
So my UK copy activated correctly on my German Steam account, including the preorder bonus mission. Tracer Tong, here I come!
I also got a printed 20-page comic based on the game which was a nice surprise. OTOH I had to download and print the skimpy manual myself… cheapskates.
