Deus Ex 3

[Brian_Seiler]

And now all I can see in my imagination is Adam Jensen, Meth Addict, crouched furtively behind a flimsy box, twitching and plotting for his next major Clif Bar heist.

[StGabe]

But they did find a way to balance it. You can spend points to increase your burst capacity, but you need to use consumables to take advantage of it. If anything, I wouldn’t be too surprised to find out that early iterations only had a regular bar and a candy-powered “overdrive” bar.

The solution they came up with works from a balance perspective but, IMO, it’s clunky and not terribly fun.

And also, the current design is a bit broken in the sense that you never need more than two bars. In any situation where you would need more than two bars you can simply wait until your energy is nearly empty and then eat a nutrition thingy to recharge.

[Grunden]

Well shit, that’s the only one I found in Heng Sha.

There are two weapon vendors. One in the brothel across from the bar. Another is in the basement of the pod hotel; he moves to the sewers after the quest event in the hotel.

[Mordrak]

You used pheromones and it came back to bite you, didn’t you?

In spoiler tags, since this is the non-spoiler thread, which NPC are you guys talking about?

[Jason_Townsend]

There are two weapon vendors. One in the brothel across from the bar. Another is in the basement of the pod hotel; he moves to the sewers after the quest event in the hotel.

Does the pod/sewer guy have a silencer? I only got one in the whole game and put it on my combat rifle, like an idiot, then spent the whole lethal period of my game wanting a discrete silenced pistol for people who were really standing in the wrong place. The rifle either did less damage or was too inaccurate or something, it always wound up being a botch when I tried to kill silently with it.

[StGabe]

Does the pod/sewer guy have a silencer? I only got one in the whole game and put it on my combat rifle, like an idiot, then spent the whole lethal period of my game wanting a discrete silenced pistol for people who were really standing in the wrong place. The rifle either did less damage or was too inaccurate or something, it always wound up being a botch when I tried to kill silently with it.

I bought my first silencer in Detroit. I don’t remember where I got my second. I later got a third as a quest reward that I didn’t have a use for.

[schurem]

my silenced laser guided 10mm pistol is murderous. it has a speedloader and fires armor piercing rounds. even the medieval looking dudes with the gattling guns go out like a candle when i put the dot on the spot and make it go pop :D

[Jason_Townsend]

I must say the idea of a laser sighted assassination pistol sort of rubs me the wrong way. Oooh, I’m stealthy and invisible so I’ll shine a brilliant red dot on things I’m aiming at, which, to all appearances, also seems to trail a visible line of light to my position at all times. Superspy!

[Two_Sheds]

In spoiler tags, since this is the non-spoiler thread, which NPC are you guys talking about?

Who I’m talking about

Officer whats-his-name, the front desk guy at the police station.

[Chris_Nahr]

Just finished the first mission, the game is indeed awesome. I’m using stealth until I get bored, then I just kill everyone. Two things I noticed…

1. I spent my first praxis point on a bigger inventory. I think I’ll spent my second praxis point on a bigger inventory, too. What? I MUST pick up everything I find, and I’m sure someone will pay good money for all the junk! Also, did they really make an entire room full of lockers that you have to search one by one because there’s ammo hidden in them?

2. I really like the hacking minigame. Several people mentioned that it was difficult with a gamepad but so far I’m not having any trouble. Just to make sure, does everyone realize that you can hack multiple nodes simultaneously? Hack one but don’t wait for it to finish, immediately move to another connected node and hack that one, too, etc. Sometimes that’s essential to complete a hack, at least without expending stop/nuke worms.

[Mordrak]

Who I’m talking about

Officer whats-his-name, the front desk guy at the police station.

Oh… Hrmmm. Well, you don’t need the aug to convince people, if you pick the right options. I’m curious if there was dialog specific indications that it was the result of the aug. My encounters went differently.

Edit: Scrounging around for ammo and limited access to weapons honestly didn’t make a lot of sense and neither did you being head of Sarif security. You’re more of a fixer than an actual security guy. I understand why they want scarcity, but there has to be a better way to enforce it than the totally immersion breaking money/equipment system they have going on.

[Chris_Nahr]

Oh hey, did someone find where the PC version stores its save games? I like to know that so I can make backups but I didn’t find them in any obvious location.

[Gus_Smedstad1]

And also, the current design is a bit broken in the sense that you never need more than two bars. In any situation where you would need more than two bars you can simply wait until your energy is nearly empty and then eat a nutrition thingy to recharge.

While theoretically true, in practice I suck too much to do this. Not having to eat more candy mid-crisis is a big help to me.

One fix would be to take the Bioshock approach: no regeneration, plenty of energy reloads available, but reloading takes time instead of being instant, as it is now. The extra bars become a bigger “clip,” allowing you to do more before the need to recharge stops you.

Energy consumables would have to be more common. The present loot structure assumes you’ll be doing a lot of actions with your first, regenerating bar. There’s just not enough lying around to make casual use of takedowns practical if you don’t do this.

Also, did they really make an entire room full of lockers that you have to search one by one because there’s ammo hidden in them?

This is actually pretty common in the game. Lots of rooms which are somewhat tough to enter, but which have just a single minor item in them. Not that you know this until you look, of course.

Just to make sure, does everyone realize that you can hack multiple nodes simultaneously?

This is an important tactic. I generally delay hacking reward nodes until the last possible moment, so I can hack them all at once just before I hack the exit node. I now think that Fortify only makes sense after you trigger an alarm, because the chance of detection is higher than a straight capture. But once a trace is in process, you can slow it down by starting a raft of Fortify commands between the security node and you. After you’ve started the next capture going, of course.

[Gus_Smedstad1]

Oh hey, did someone find where the PC version stores its save games?

Google told me it’s in a weird location. It’s SteamPath/userdata/(user ID #)/28050/remote. What I read is that it’s a Cloud save system, and that this is your local mirror of the cloud, by your Steam ID# and the game ID # (which is 28050).

This is not really a good thing, since SteamPath is in your program files directory. Microsoft has been trying to get people not to put documents there, but developers keep doing that. It means, for example, that my save files are on my SSD instead of my data drive. They’re not big, ~400KB each, so it’s not a huge problem, but my space on that drive is limited.

The fact that my save files are on a SSD may have something to do with my relatively fast load times.

[stusser]

Nah. DX3 loads fast on non-SSDs now.

[Jasper_Phillips]

I must say the idea of a laser sighted assassination pistol sort of rubs me the wrong way. Oooh, I’m stealthy and invisible so I’ll shine a brilliant red dot on things I’m aiming at, which, to all appearances, also seems to trail a visible line of light to my position at all times. Superspy!

Obviously the laser is invisible, and only shows up if you have augmented eyes, just like the laser alarms. Alternately, it’s added in visual post processing, like the first down line in football.

So of course other people can’t see it!

[scharmers]

Obviously the laser is invisible, and only shows up if you have augmented eyes, just like the laser alarms. Alternately, it’s added in visual post processing, like the first down line in football.

So of course other people can’t see it!

WHY THAT’S RIDICUL—

Hunh. That does make sense. Either that or everyone in the game is red-blind.

[rei]

Strangely, what stuck out like sore thumbs were bits and pieces of the dialogue that contained figures of speech that seemed anachronistic, even now…like …“what are you going to do? look him up in a phonebook?”

Phonebooks are fading out of usage now and I doubt they’d even exist anymore. Maybe they’d still remain as outdated idioms that kids don’t know the origins of?

[Chris_Nahr]

Google told me it’s in a weird location. It’s SteamPath/userdata/(user ID #)/28050/remote. What I read is that it’s a Cloud save system, and that this is your local mirror of the cloud, by your Steam ID# and the game ID # (which is 28050).

Indeed, that’s where they are. Fortunately I don’t have Steam under my Program Files directory anyway since I anticipate ubiquitous developer incompetence with regards to Windows user permissions.

Another thing! Is there some kind of log where you can look up those XP messages that flash by? I’d like to know exactly what I got how many XP for but I can’t see where. There also seem to be some achievement messages that aren’t mirrored by Steam achievements.

[Quaro]

Your energy not refilling past the first bar seems like a bad design compromise to me, like they realized that having more power bars was overpowered but couldn’t find a fun way to balance that and just punted. I wonder how late into the dev cycle this design feature was added.

My advice is to get the recharge powers and at most one extra bar (sometimes 3 bars is nice but anything beyond that is overkill). The recharge is really nice as it makes it much easier to quickly do a 2nd takedown if needed or to restealth if you get in trouble.

I don’t like how you always run around at one bar, because if you maintain 5 bars and use up one, it doesn’t regenerate back to five. If melee takedowns used 99% of a bar instead then it wouldn’t effect the balance much but you wouldn’t have to be OCD about always making sure you’re down to one bar before doing a takedown.