Deus Ex 3

pyrhic · 2011-09-05T21:00:06.000Z

maxle:

You actually liked the gunplay in AP? I loved that game to death, but its combat was…problematic. Though, sure, popping chain shot and killing an entire room was always fun.

Never had any problem with it, the guns felt good and things hit where i wanted them to - i cant say the same for dehr.

Dave_Weinstein · 2011-09-05T21:28:12.000Z

Well, since I just spent 40 minutes trying to defeat the first boss (including staging down to easy), I’m going to go with “Yes, it is a bad game”. For the same reason that KOTOR II was a bad game.

The only thing in its favor was that it wasn’t until the very end of KOTOR II that you discovered that an entire style of play was basically unwinnable. In Deus Ex, you get your face rubbed in it in 10 hours or so.

Pogo · 2011-09-05T21:38:46.000Z

The first boss literally lobs grenades against a wall 5 feet in front of him for minutes at a time when you get away from him.

On hard mode.

Seriously.

Sebmojo · 2011-09-05T21:42:57.000Z

Dave Weinstein:

Well, since I just spent 40 minutes trying to defeat the first boss (including staging down to easy), I’m going to go with “Yes, it is a bad game”. For the same reason that KOTOR II was a bad game.

The only thing in its favor was that it wasn’t until the very end of KOTOR II that you discovered that an entire style of play was basically unwinnable. In Deus Ex, you get your face rubbed in it in 10 hours or so.

YOU CAN DEFEAT THE FIRST BOSS WITHOUT FIRING A SHOT.

Not saying it’s great design, but seriously. Look around.

1st boss strategy

The gas tanks to your right when you enter will stun him if you throw them at him while he’s reloading (otherwise he shoots them), the big barrels will do lots of damage. It took me a few goes to get the timing right, but it’s pretty straightforward once you get the knack. Also you can stun him with the prod, I believe.

maxle · 2011-09-05T21:43:03.000Z

Dave Weinstein:

The only thing in its favor was that it wasn’t until the very end of KOTOR II that you discovered that an entire style of play was basically unwinnable.

What?

Brian_Seiler · 2011-09-06T05:56:26.000Z

Dave Weinstein:

Well, since I just spent 40 minutes trying to defeat the first boss (including staging down to easy), I’m going to go with “Yes, it is a bad game”. For the same reason that KOTOR II was a bad game.

The only thing in its favor was that it wasn’t until the very end of KOTOR II that you discovered that an entire style of play was basically unwinnable. In Deus Ex, you get your face rubbed in it in 10 hours or so.

If you’re trying to shoot it out with anybody without finding some sort of environmental advantage, you’re probably doing it wrong. I think it took me about seven tries on hardest difficulty (most of which was mapping out where all the environmental things I needed to grab were located, because the game doesn’t have a way to let you explore the room without Brick Hardcheese there going all minigun on you). At the time that I beat him, I had no points in Dermal Armor, and I think I ended up finishing the fight firing only one shot from my Double Barreled Shotgun (which I could have avoided if I weren’t both terrible at aiming and lazy).

Ice_Cream_Jonsey · 2011-09-06T10:05:42.000Z

Regarding the first boss - I’m going to sound like an enormous nancy boy because I don’t know what those concrete barriers that are typically along the side of highways are called. But there was one in the room with Barrett. I ended up hiding behind it, and only poked my head to shoot back when he was reloading. At first I thought it was poor AI, but since he gives you a clue right before he dies for no real reason, I’m willing to concede that this Barrett guy is just that stupid. I’m laughing at you, Barrett!

Still liking the hacking minigame, although I wish the “spam” nodes offered a shortcut, but then actually sent you 50 spam messages to the e-mail account you had registered with Steam. Since most spam is about enhancing certain body parts anyway, I feel it would be “in bounds” within the game’s milieu.

stusser · 2011-09-06T10:20:05.000Z

Ice Cream Jonsey:

Since most spam is about enhancing certain body parts anyway, I feel it would be “in bounds” within the game’s milieu.

They really missed the mark there. The only real spam in the game is from a nigerian prince. Yes, I’m talking augmented gigeresque cocks. You know it would happen.

For that matter, once you can plug a neurochip into your brain, couldn’t you just stimulate pleasure centers directly, like the “wireheads” in Niven’s books? Forget neuropozyne, that would be the scourge to end all scourges.

Brian_Seiler · 2011-09-06T10:22:35.000Z

stusser:

They really missed the mark there. The only real spam in the game is from a nigerian prince. Yes, I’m talking augmented gigeresque cocks. You know it would happen.

I know it DOES happen.

side quest in second hub

There’s an entire side quest in Hengsha in which you liberate a bunch of prostitutes who are going to be forcibly augmented against their will because hella dudes have boners for augmentation or something.

jpinard · 2011-09-06T12:10:57.000Z

How many major game hubs are there? I just finished Detroit and am on to the warehouse thing and am wondering how much game I have left.

Originally I was trying to play the game where I wouldn’t kill anyone - just knock all baddies out with stun guns and punch-outs. But now that I started this second area I’m thinking it’s not worth it to try and go non-lethal the rest of the game (bosses aside). What do you think?

stusser · 2011-09-06T12:27:14.000Z

There are two hubs, but you revisit both hubs later on in the game. If you just finished Detroit for the first time, you’re roughly 1/4 of the way done. DX3 is a long game.

Yes I know of that sidequest, but there’s no penis augmentation spam, you see.

Charles · 2011-09-06T12:27:28.000Z

jpinard:

How many major game hubs are there? I just finished Detroit and am on to the warehouse thing and am wondering how much game I have left.

Originally I was trying to play the game where I wouldn’t kill anyone - just knock all baddies out with stun guns and punch-outs. But now that I started this second area I’m thinking it’s not worth it to try and go non-lethal the rest of the game (bosses aside). What do you think?

hubs spoilers

There’s only detroit and china, and you visit both twice.

Frankly, after the halfway point, I gave up using stealth because it was painful to stick to it. So much reloading.

TurinTur · 2011-09-06T12:29:33.000Z

jpinard:

Originally I was trying to play the game where I wouldn’t kill anyone - just knock all baddies out with stun guns and punch-outs. But now that I started this second area I’m thinking it’s not worth it to try and go non-lethal the rest of the game (bosses aside). What do you think?

I think you should play as it’s more fun for you.

stusser · 2011-09-06T12:32:37.000Z

Yes, do whatever you enjoy more. You get more XP for playing non-lethal, but you don’t really need the extra XP, so if it’s pissing you off feel free to start butchering folks.

Charles · 2011-09-06T12:38:41.000Z

Yeah it’s not like the game really cares if you are a murdering psychopath or not.

Brian_Seiler · 2011-09-06T12:42:33.000Z

With some caution. It’s fine to start butchering dudes if you want, but you still have to be kind of clever about it, because in any firefight with more than one guy you will always lose. You will always lose if you try to fight it out with a boss. In those cases, you absolutely cannot just saddle up and ride into the situation - at least, not as far as I’ve experienced (on the last major point of the second hub - also, I haven’t been there, but is there a third semi-hub without sidequests where you can buy two more Praxis kits at the end?). Because I’ve tried that a couple of times, with plainly disastrous results.

stusser · 2011-09-06T12:47:46.000Z

You can’t fight it out DOOM-style, you need to use cover and make intelligent use of your resources, the environment, and enemy AI.

anaqer · 2011-09-06T12:48:06.000Z

Fuck 'em.

delirium · 2011-09-06T12:53:25.000Z

You better believe I’m brawling it out in a straight firefight whenever I get the chance. Unfortunately, there haven’t been many opportunities for that kind of play style in the game. In most places, I’m severely outnumbered and there are alarms on the wall for them to call backup even if I wanted to start shooting the place up.

Fucking alarms. If they weren’t there, I could at least take my chances against a room full of goons.

jpinard · 2011-09-06T13:09:36.000Z

Thanks for the advice. I’m not enjoying being passive anymore, so I’m going Rambo. Back to Detroit to rethink my inventory before moving on to Chapter 2.