That is a really(!) excellent graphic, but using it to defend this point is one of those a-bit-too-nitpicky things that sucks out the fun. Look how complex that chart is. Most people are not going to sort all that out for themselves, and even with the chart the major concept is still intact. She dies on their first meeting, his first kiss with her is her last, etc. In fact, except for the blue line (and the white non-meeting point lines), things fall out much like you’d expect - River’s lines extend to roughly the opposite ends of the Doctor’s. In fact, the more I look at it, the more impressed I am with how ‘consistent’ things are. I think this pic actually proves the point more than works against it.

Late to the party (as usual), but I just saw “BlinK” and man was that some darn good TV! I wish all the episodes were that clever.

The writer of “Blink” became the showrunner starting in Series Five. I don’t think any of the later episodes are as clever as “Blink” though.

I’m about 13 episodes into season 5 and while it doesn’t quite measure up to “Blink” it’s still gotten pretty damn good. I’m beginning to see what all the fuss is about. Glad I stuck with it past the first couple very, very cheesy seasons.

Well, after delaying about a year to watch the show because my gf and long-time watching partner couldn’t bear to watch “that” episode at the end of Season 7, Part 1, I caved and blew through the entirety of S7 (including the few eps I’d already seen in 2012) over a couple of days. Given how weak the middle was, I honestly felt like the start and end were remarkably solid. The haunting episode was way better than it had any right to be.

That said, A and R’s send-off really was the most plot-holey, poorly done way that Moffat could have gone about it, so now I get to rage about that all alone a year after all of you gave him shit for it. But hey, better late than never!

50th trailer

Can’t wait for that episode. The trailer does an excellent job of whetting one’s appetite without spoiling anything.

Wendelius

I raged about that when it happened and was basically told I was crazy. Most people didn’t seem to have any issues with the way A&R were written out, and in fact many people seemed to think it was great. I still view it as one of the most aggrivating and unsatisfying bits in all of my years as a fan, but I’m over it, especially now that Matt Smith is gone as well.

Go and watch the Night of the Doctor mini-episode right this second…

The link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U3jrS-uhuo

Whoa.

Just, whoa. Did NOT see that coming.

I actually bought two Big Finish audio dramas today because of that minisode. Wow.

OMG that was awesome. Sooo glad I went in spoiler-free!

Holy crap - what a fantastic surprise

Someone needs to help me out, as I feel I have missed the surprise (or maybe I just knew too much already going in?)

Okay

Spoilers–and a hefty post–follow

[spoiler]Part of this is that no one expected Doctor Number 8, Paul McGann, to make an appearance, as he’d said on twitter he wasn’t in the 50th anniversary. Well, technically, he wasn’t. He was in the prequel minisode! Sly bastard ;)

Anyway, McGann only got a couple of hours of screen time as Doc No. 8 in a pretty bad TV movie in the 90s, about halfway between the mid-80s cancellation of Doctor Who Original and the mid-2000s New Who. In said movie, they dredged up the actor for 7 long enough to have him regenerate into the new pretty boy TV Doctor, but we never did see what happened to No. 8.

All we knew as New Who started is that Eccleston was relatively new at being the Doctor (hey, look at my new ears! he says in the first ep), so No. 9 wasn’t very old, as Doctors go. He later revealed he’d ended the Time War by doing something that destroyed Time Lords and Daleks alike (though portions of both manage to escape and wreak havoc over the years of New Who), but we never see his actual involvement in the war.

It’s always been assumed that No. 8 did the deed and in the process was so injured that he regenerated into No. 9 who was definitely ravaged psychologically by what he’d done. However, at the end of the last season of Who, a “new” Doctor was introduced as some characters literally stepped into the Doctor’s own timestream/personal history to poke around. This one was played by John Hurt, and he seriously broke the chronology that everyone had grown to accept (the series has been pretty overt about poking fun at the numbering of each new Doctor in some way, so their order was fairly well canonized, meaning Hurt’s Doctor couldn’t have come before No. 11 – Matt Smith – or else he’d break the ordering. Yet, if he somehow came after, how was he already in said Doctor’s historical timestream that they were waltzing around in?).

The new minisode opens with a pretty typical play on the Doc’s name as a woman is asking for help and her ship’s AI foolishly suggests a Doctor. Haha, we’re all in on the gig, The Doctor is gonna show up. But which? 10, or 11, who are slated to appear in the 50th Anniversary Special Ep? Maybe Hurt’s Doctor, to teach us a little more about him? Nope!

It was no. 8, who hasn’t been seen on film since his ill-fated movie! He’s older (obviously due to actor’s aging, but the minisode makes no attempt to disguise it, so we are to assume he’s actually older than when last seen in the movie) and mentions some companions that had been written into audio dramas the 8th actor had played in on the radio in England, thus canonizing his fictional history there. He also reveals that the Time War is ongoing and that he’s been avoiding fighting in it–it’s not his war, in essence.

What follows is a crash landing onto a planet where the inhabitants can help him shape the nature of his next regeneration–turns out he was fatally injured in the crash and only has minutes to live in his current (8th) form. Guilted into entering the war before it destroys the whole of reality while he stands back in passivity, he asks them to help him regenerate into a warrior capable of doing the things that must be done to end the war.

He is revealed then to turn into Hurt’s character, who is fully named “The War Doctor” in the minisode. This fits with what we learned at the end of last season–the Doctor doesn’t consider Hurt’s incarnation to be the real thing because he’s the one who chose to not be a healer, a helper. Instead, he was actively formed into a new entity, one capable of great violence.

This repairs the fractured chronology by a technicality. Hurt’s War Doctor might represent the 8th full regeneration of the Time Lord who calls himself the Doctor, but because he’s a “warrior” rather than a “healer,” he doesn’t “count” against the numbering of Doctors. Presumably, then, the 50th Anniv. Special can show us in some form how the War Doctor did his thing before finally regenning into 9–Eccleston–and restoring the more typical numbering scheme. They might not show the actual moment, but at least now fans have a handle on how it all came to be.[/spoiler]

Hope that clears up the various surprises present in the minisode (the reveals of key unexpected actors in unexpected ways and the solution to some timeline troubles that have had fans bickering for months now)

Much thanks for the extra details. I knew about the numbering issues and the suspected resolution of it, but didn’t know all the details and back-story of the actor himself. Now I understand why it was such a surprise. Too bad as well, I really liked him from the short time we saw him.

Me too. I wish he was in the story instead of John Hurt.

Agreed. The TV movie was pretty mediocre, but it was hampered by bad writing and being tweaked to try to appeal to a US Fox network audience.

Seeing him in a more authentic Whovian environment, I’m sad we didn’t get more of him.

So, after sitting out of Dr. Who for about a season or two, would it be terrible of me to watch the anniversary episode before going back and finishing the episodes I missed?