Crash
2901
Calling it with C’tis, or even Atlantis as top is fine with me.
I have enjoyed the game.
I cannot believe the differences between atlantis/c’tis, and the rest of the world as far power goes.
Crash of Ermor.
Faeruntest: So we will play on for a few more turns if you folks are willing.
I’d say if even one person wants to play on, we should, in general.
Faeruntest (Atlantis).
I have been convinced by Man to play on for a while as we attempt to eliminate the C’tis Nexus in the next few turns.
I will therefore tighten my belt and not cast very many spells until the nexus problem is solved. Which means that I will be at severely reduced capability for a while. But the worst that can happen is lose a few provinces here and there.
What I cannot figure is why the three smaller nations of Ermor, Caelum, and R’lyeh all want to join the side of the most powerful nation in the game. But if any of those three wants to join with Man and Atlantis, I will help them also against the others.
If not, then C’tis will obviously win the game some time in the future just because of the sheer amount of resources and time it will take for me to eliminate the smaller nations. It also would mean I would be unable to help Man as much as I have been doing, which also helps C’tis.
Anyway, I will put together another turn this evening when I have the time and play on. It will be easier anyway without all the forging and spell casting I have been doing lately.
Panther
From a strictly balance point of view, I do not understand it either. It is my own impulse in strategy games to help the weaker against the stronger, and thus create a more balanced conlfict (which may eventually turn to my profit, of course… I always try and seek the winning strategy, no matter how remote it becomes ;)).
However psychologically, people who are fairly certain they are not going to win often derive satisfaction from playing “kingmaker”. In this case you would accept completely that you will be 2nd or 3rd fiddle in exchange for what amounts to a cooperative win (even if you know you would be absorbed with ease in the end).
I already made the suggestion to someone that perhaps, simply for balance reasons, they should throw their lot in with Atlantis/Man, and they said basically that they would rather see the game resolved at some point ;)
Yeah, I’ll admit that was me. I’m happy to play more, and I certainly will give it my best shot. I am not allying with C’tis at this point in order to end the game. I have been his ally for a long time, back to when Huzurdaddi was in command of C’tis.
I simply don’t want to ‘win’ this game so badly that I would change my alliances at this point.
I am, in fact, essentially allied with everyone in the game! I’m trading gems with Man and Atlantis, I’m keeping my promise not to attack C’tis, and I can’t even find Ryleh on the map. My secret best buddy has been Ermor. :twisted:! I asked him at around turn 30 if he would like to try to win the game together. I never imagined the game would get to the point where I have over 20,000 gold in the bank and nothing to spend it on. I suppose I could see what a provincial defense of around 200 looks like.
Dave (Caelum)
jeffr
2907
Feeding Frenzy (Pan)
I’ve attacked the superpower Mictlan with my armies of maenads. This game has to end for me soon. The map is way too big. I’ll see how long I can survive the resulting Mictlan onslaught. Judging by how Mictlan treated Caelum and Vanheim (both stronger than me), I’m betting not very long :)
Mictlan - Did you stale? I was able to take a couple of your castles while your 600 man (or should I say Fiend/Vampire/Mech Man, etc.) force sat idly by?
I will therefore tighten my belt and not cast very many spells until the nexus problem is solved. Which means that I will be at severely reduced capability for a while. But the worst that can happen is lose a few provinces here and there.
Once that happens C’tis is pretty much cooked. C’tis has been losing on multiple front for quite a while and this will probably be the death knell although killing C’tis will be a very long and drawn out afair.
Maybe it would be good if C’tis simply offered that someone else should be the winner so that C’tis could get support? Seemed to work for everyone else so far.
Nope, C’tis has the game won, actually, even if he loses the Nuxus. the only possibility of beating him at this point is if everybody attacks him exclusively. And even that may not be enough. Not that it matters, for that won’t happen anyway.
I really don’t think it is the Kingmaker Syndrom. I believe it is just that people are tired of playing this game and are wanting to reach the point where it is obvious that the game is over.
It is now just a matter of how many months it will take for the lizards to achieve the win. Or, more likely, until everybody truly gets tired of spending so much time on a single game.
Heck, I may even ally with him just for the pleasure of killing Ermor and Caelum and R’lyeh!
I think you are both wrong.
Whoever has the Nexus has the advantage. If I lose the Nexus, Atlantis + Man will be solidly outproducing me in gems, and with time should beable to close the blood gap as well.
Atlantis and I have similar gem incomes. From his previous statement he actually produces more than I do. With the Nexus up I take a slight lead in gem income. With Man, Ermor, Caelum thrown is, the two “sides” probably have comparable gem incomes.
Blood is another question… I think I still have comfortable lead in blood production, but that will surely narrow over time.
IMHO its verging on a stalemate.
Crash
2911
Faeruntest (Ermor):
Well, that certainly changes things for me.
I was solidly under the impression that C’tis was losing the war vs Atlantis/Man (after seeing C’tis’s attempt at a seige vs. Man end in disaster), so I attacked Atlantis ‘knowing’ that he was the stronger side in an attempt to balance it.
To Atlantis: It was not a suicidal urge that prompted me to move against you. The logic was that I had to hit you before you consolidated while C’tis was still in a position to distract you.
Guess I called that one wrong.
Faeruntest (Caelum):
I don’t believe either of them, Crash. I am sure you and I will eventually win.
Faeruntest (Ctis): Well to be fair I am losing ground vs Atlantis at a slow but steady rate. However 60% of my combat power (maybe more) is concentrated on Man… so if Man goes down I feel I will be able to stabilize, and maybe even push back the Atalntis front. Although going anywhere in the face of a truckload of murdering winters is a problem which occupies a great deal of my intellect right now ;)
Like I said I think it is a straight up fight, even with Ermor and Caelum in the mix. Too close to call, imho.
QT3FeedingFrenzy (Mictlan)
I belatedly bought Rome: Total War on Saturday, and next thing I know, it’s Thursday. Not sure what happened…
Yeah, I staled. Yeah, I’ve finally noticed that you’ve attacked me (and after all I did for you!). Lets finish this.
Note to anyone who does Blood magic. Dome of Corruption - bit of a high-risk defence. I’ve already had 5 mages in one province eaten by horrors, including an irreplaceable national hero and a 90-Astral Ether Lord. I may have to evacuate, which is embarassing.
jeffr
2915
Feeding Frenzy (Pan)
Well, that was fun :D How did you get those Coutals into my back area?
I’m ready to concede. Mictlan’s forces are overwhelming. It’s just embarrasing at this point.
Abysia, do you still want to continue? If you do, I’ll continue to play my turns but unless you have some pretty impressive forces, I’m pretty sure this one is over, man.
In accordance with my eons-old peace treaty with Mictlan, I’m ignoring him and trying to dominion-kill Jotun’s pretender, who is currently stuck underwater in his last province.
I’m not going to win, but if I get this guy I’ve killed three nations, so I can live with that. :)
Malderi
2917
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