What?
I told you, plainly, what you were doing was something I considered threatening and I would like you to stop it.
How is this different from any other diplomatic overture?
You responded that you always ignore such requests when not backed up directly by visible force. Which amounts to “make me, LOL”.
How is that not being an ass?
This attack is entirely a result of your actions, FWIW. The only reason I’d have to send armies through that northern route is specifically to take you on - too long and circuitous for anything else - and the only reason I’d want to take you on is if you’re a clear and specific threat. Which an extra province of buffer - particularly a mountain one - between you and the plains/farms region would have largely negated. Instead you worked as hard as you could to minimize any buffer I might have and then built up far too many troops on your side of the border for me to feel at all safe. If you’d been deliberately provoking me you wouldn’t have done anything different.
Are you trying to use a reasoned argument to somehow rationally and logically convince me that I was being an ass for not agreeing with you?
Does that often work for you?
Nick:
In my tests with Bizarro Ashen Empire - with 3 Growth, 3 Order, ect, - i found that i could make multiple forts really quickly. The benefit of this is that you get the much better Legionarre undead (with 10 MR), and lots of the Knights of the Unholy Sepulchre. I’m sure you knew this, but it’s worth considering next time around. Soulless only have MR of around 5. The drawback of course is the much weaker Pretender you get, so you’re pretty much trapped using the Prince of Death.
I even sort them out like they were still alive, for fun, at least vs. the AI. :).
Order 3 Growth 3 for undead Ermor?
Now that’s an interesting idea I have to say.
I should add that the undead we were discussing from the Lictor game were the fort spawned variety. I had a few gold mines up my sleeve so I was fairly cash flush for undead Ermor and had castled and templed all my provinces. Not that it makes that much difference in a late game confrontation against someone with easy access to wither bones casters ;-)
I just ran some quick tests (one province, just hit End turn):
From start to Spring year 2
Standard Ashen Ermor (with 3 luck/magic, all bad scales otherwise) - 3298 gold
Bizarro Ashen Empire (with all +3 positive scales except Magic and Sloth) - 5495.
Just fyi.
Personally I don’t think it is a good idea TheSelfishGene. Even with Growth 3 your dominion (which for EA Ermor should be as strong as you can make it for obvious reasons) will kill your population fairly quickly. And once it is dead Order 3 doesn’t matter one bit.
Sure, you will get more money in the beginning of the game, especially during the first year while your dominion is still relatively low. But later down the road it won’t matter. So the question is - does that initial boost of money worth more than 480(!) design points? Not really, unless you are playing very short game on a tiny map. And if you do, you would still be better of investing this huge amount of points into SC awaken god to blitzkrig your opponent(s).
Althought it is certainly an interesting idea to try, if for nothing else than for the element of suprise and for different gameplay experience as Ermor. Order3/Growth 3 is the last thing opponents would expect from EA player.
Just my two cents.
Foom
3067
Rollory has kindly volunteered to take over Vanheim in Shirley. Be nice to him!
The only reason you want this is because Legionairre Undead are considerably better than random trash spawn, even if it’s not completely obvious. Multiple castles also help you from getting bum rushed.
But, as Nick said, even Legion Undead are still quite suseptible. This is mainly an idea to get around Ermors new-found weaknesses.
BTW i love Sailing! Sailing sailing, yo ho, a devil worshiping Albigensians life for me! (Sailing lets you make a 1 move unit into a 2 move unit by sailing on coasts). Sailing also works very well on any of J.Lutes maps, since they have quite a few coastal regions even if not a large body of water.
Sailing is too much fun. I REALLY need to make that Arabian Nights mod i’ve always wanted to whip up…if only i had some modicum of artistic talent.
Rollory
3070
You really don’t see the problem with being needlessly abrasive to a neighbor who can decide (and is now doing so), based on essentially minor reasons, derived entirely from your own actions, to eliminate you?
Whether you agree with “needlessly abrasive” or not is irrelevant. This is what diplomacy is for, anyway - making sure such disagreements don’t rise to the level of a casus belli. I’m no great shakes as a diplomat - particularly where Rywill is concerned - but I do try to avoid pissing off my neighbors unless I want them pissed off.
I mean, sure, you could take the position that the chance of victory has become infinitesimal and it doesn’t matter what you do so you do whatever you want without worrying about repercussions, but why play at all then?
Well apparently Mr. Douchebag has his panties in a twist over all this, so let’s review my “needless abrasiveness.”
In order, the posts were:
My original warning that I would cast Burden of Time if attacked on all fronts at once
A bit brash yes, but I think it’s generally understood that’s how Ermor rolls.
Then we have
Mr Douchebag’s overly vague warning to me
Keep in mind that when Mr Douchebag made that threat I had no idea where on the map he was. The smell of rank tuna fish wafting in from the east should have tipped me off but undead aren’t known for their delicate nasal faculties.
This led to my rant about:
Idiots who make unreasonable demands (like asking me to not play to win) and somehow consider them a reasonable basis for negotiation
In retrospect that isn’t what Mr Douchebag was alluding to (though god forbid he clarify), he had superior scouting to me and knew I was advancing towards his turf. At the time all this got posted I was completely in the dark about where on the map Douchebagland was. But anyway, in typical douchebag style he replied quite vaguely and threateningly:
Mr Douchebag implies that any more advancement will result in me being attacked on all fronts
Even in retrospect I’m still in the dark about how Mr. Douchebag thought he could arrange for me to be attacked on all fronts since I was on pretty good terms with other neighbors at the time.
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But anyway, I did ask for clarification
And never received any response up until Mr Douchebag decided to call me an ass for that little exchange.
So um, yeah, whatever. I think any reader who bothers to compare this post with my past exchange with Mr Douchebag can see the difference between my normal posts and my needlessly abrasive ones.
PELTAST:
Can someone please explain to me why all my casters blew up? I am playing Abysia in the Peltast game and I had destroyed/routed every enemy unit on the map but one and then suddenly at almost the end of the battle, all my casters burned to death.
I’ve watched this battle several times now and even had another local dominions expert take a look at it and we can’t explain what is going on. Here are my observations:
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The particle effects that play are these giant clouds of fire.
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I am Abysia, fire crap doesn’t hurt me but this fire blob thing annihilates a good % of everything I have.
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There is nothing in the casting list text (top left stuff) that is even remotely suspicious.
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There is nothing special on the remaining unit that we are attacking (i.e time bomb type things other than blood vengeance but that doesn’t match up with the particle effects and simultaneity of the damage to the casters).
Any ideas?
BoT: I was speaking for myself, being the one power you weren’t either at war with or having an honorably-unbreakable border agreement with. I don’t see how you could interpret that otherwise.
I am not specific when I make threats for the same reason I do not give you my password. I tell you what I consider troubling or not, and it is up to you to make your own choices and take responsibility for the consequences.
Playing to win involves finding out what might cause situations that will force you to lose. Scouting is one of the things one does. Asking neighbors what they would consider a reasonable arrangement is another. I did exactly that with Clark and pretty much gave him whatever he wanted.
You freely chose to pursue exactly the actions I did my best to indicate to you would cause trouble. You did so while ridiculing those very same indications. And this latest post is completely over the top.
Anyway, I’m done arguing with you. Take Lictor down. It’s not worth pursuing under these conditions.
Whooa, hold on there! Where did that came from? Your issue with Nick is your personal matter as far as I am concerned, so I am not going to comment on that. But trying to quit the game where you are one the two strongest nations, on turn 67? There are other players in the game in addition to you and Nick. I am not going to speak for other players, but I was asked to sub for this game about 25 turns ago, and since then I’ve invested huge amount of time into it, since as it turned out LE R’lyeh is micromanagement hell. These 25 turns took more of my time than any of Dom2/3 games I’ve played so far. So after all these efforts I certainly would like to see the game to come to its logical conclusion.
You are pissed with Nick, who is playing Ermor - I understand that. You have attacked him last turn and won major victory. Ermor is a minor nation at this point, while you are one of the two strongest ones. Just do your best to annihilate him - that was your intention anyway. But abandoning the game in such situation would not make any sense.
Maybe I misinterpreted your intention, in which case I apologize. But if it is indeed the case, I ask you to please reconsider. Such abortive conclusion would be extremely unfair to other players in the game.
Also please let’s stop all this name calling that both sides have been doing in the recent posts. I am well aware that Dominions games are capable of generating quite strong emotions. Been there, done that myself, guilty as charged. So I suggest let’s all take a deep breath and calm down a bit, ok?
We are waiting on the right-click-end-turn bug resolution I beleive.
Yeah, you’re (mostly) right.
Though I do think his going apeshit over this is … well, I didn’t say anything that should have sparked that reaction.
Banefire perhaps? Though that is a green fire effect that should be quite distinct, also it behaves like poison and damage persists after the end of the battle, so you can see quite a few units take massive damage and die at the end of the battle (or when they retreat to the edge fo the field).
olaf
3078
Sadly Niefelheim is being swallowed by one of the overpowered heims and their lapdog, Ulm.
So there will be no Rimtursar this Christmas.
Um, because I specifically said I’d only use BoT if all my neighbors ganged up on me? And then you responded with “You’ll have to make good on that threat.” Sounds to me like you were implying you could arrange for me to be fighting all my neighbors.
That’s a good strategy, and one I use too. But here’s the rub bud, if you are deliberately vague you can’t, ya know, call someone an ass for not understanding the deep secret meaning of what you said.
I did freely choose to pursue those actions because not pursuing them would have been tantamount to conceding the game. You asked me to not expand (at a different nations expense) without suggesting some alternative for how I could expand or prosper. You can’t put “don’t play to win” on the negotiation table and expect anyone to negotiate with you seriously. This is diplomacy 101 man.
Jebus, are you off your meds?
I’m not going to take a dom3 game down just because one immature player has a temper tantrum and wants it stopped. I’ll set you AI if you want to quit so that the other people playing can continue to play. I’ll wait a few days so you can upload your turn if you want to.
Rollory
3080
“There’s several doors in this hallway. One of them, if you open it, will be very bad for you, so don’t open it.” You promptly run down the hallway opening every single door, shouting “HAHAHA MAKE ME”. “You’re an ass.”
See?
And it’s not like you’ve been trying to disprove the characterization since.
because not pursuing them would have been tantamount to conceding the game
Being careful around a much stronger neighbor rather than deliberately doing every single last thing that might annoy them is tantamount to conceding the game?
Is your kid keeping you up at night? Is your company going through layoffs? Is your wife divorcing you? What’s the matter, Nick? Tell us. We’re here to help.
I’m not going to take a dom3 game down just because one immature player
At this point, if I decide I’m done with the game because I don’t want to deal with the host being a bitchy idiot, it’s over. AI Ulm means Stormbinder has no real opposition left. That’s not something I want to do to him, but you’re really trying hard to make it worth avoiding the aggravation.
has a temper tantrum
I’m the one having a temper tantrum?
Right.
