Dragon Age Countdown

Sarkus · 2009-09-30T13:53:44.000Z

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One of the bonus items listed as being in the CE is Grimoire of the Frozen Wastes: a special book that adds +3 to all attributes when read. At first glance, +3 to all attributes sounds like it could be rather powerful, even more so since it is a tome and not something that has to use an equipment slot. I don’t know anything about the DA character system, so if attributes can go up to say 100 and you gain something like 20 points per level, then +3 to 6-8 attributes is not that big a deal. But if we are talking about attributes that max at 20 or so, then that +3 across the board seems to be a rather powerful trinket.

Based on the wiki Desslock linked to earlier, it appears that is a nice item but not powerful in an unbalancing way. You get 3 points to spend on attribute increases each time you level and they also go up on their own. While the wiki isn’t clear, it does not seem likely that 20 is the attribute max.

Desslock · 2009-09-30T13:54:15.000Z

+3 to each of your attributes would be a very powerful item in Dragon Age.

I don’t think there’s a cap on the attributes - to get the higher powers, you have to have attribute scores in the mid-30s.

Sarkus, I don’t know what the “they go up on their own” statement means - they do not just increase throughout the game - you just get the 3 points per level (3 in total to distribute among all your attributes, although like in D&D, there’s natural attributes to favor based upon your class). You can also increase them during the game by finding magical bonuses, but those are relatively rare.

It really depends upon when you get the item - if you get it at the start, having +3 to each of our attributes would be extremely powerful - that’s essentially giving you 6 additional experience levels of attribute increases (although you wouldn’t distribute them evenly, given the choice).

Telefrog · 2009-09-30T14:06:53.000Z

Sure, but if it’s the PC version, then anyone can have the equivalent effect by cheating. NWN had a pretty extensive cheatcode list along with an item editor.

Sarkus · 2009-09-30T14:10:38.000Z

Desslock:

Sarkus, I don’t know what the “they go up on their own” statement means - they do not just increase throughout the game - you just get the 3 points per level (3 in total to distribute among all your attributes, although like in D&D, there’s natural attributes to favor based upon your class).

I was just going off of what the wiki says.

Wiki:

Additionally, attributes increase moderately on level-up based on class.

So it sounds like it is wrong in that regard from what you are reporting.

Desslock · 2009-09-30T15:07:35.000Z

I think it’s just referring to “health” and “mana/stamina”, not the core attributes.

Sarkus · 2009-09-30T16:10:41.000Z

Desslock:

I think it’s just referring to “health” and “mana/stamina”, not the core attributes.

Well, that was specifically in the section of the wiki that talks about the attributes, so I’m not sure why anyone would think it applied to other stuff.

Dragon Age Wiki

Attributes

Attributes may refer to: Attributes (Origins) - the attributes in Dragon Age: Origins. Attributes (Dragon Age II) - the attributes in Dragon Age II. Attributes (Inquisition) - the attributes in Dragon Age: Inquisition. This disambiguation page lists...

Second paragraph.

It could be confusion on the part of the wiki writers (not sure if that’s supposed to be an official wiki or not) or a mistake. But that is what it says.

sam16 · 2009-09-30T16:11:35.000Z

Sarkus:

I was just going off of what the wiki says.

So it sounds like it is wrong in that regard from what you are reporting.

The wiki got the information from this developer post, but we don’t know if the system changed in the time between his post and the build that Desslock got.

Andre_Costa · 2009-09-30T16:59:34.000Z

Abilio Carvalho:

ok, but since you mentioned the editions, can you explain where in Europe can I buy the CE, as neither Amazon.co.uk nor play.com have it.

game.co.uk … ordered mine today ;)

Desslock · 2009-09-30T17:39:16.000Z

sam16:

The wiki got the information from this developer post, but we don’t know if the system changed in the time between his post and the build that Desslock got.

It might happen - I’m not really a munchkin-numbers type of player, so I haven’t really been tracking each character’s stats that closely. I’ll watch next time one levels and confirm.

Derek_French · 2009-10-02T09:40:10.000Z

Dragon Age: Origins Character Creator to be released October 13

Murbella · 2009-10-02T09:45:57.000Z

Is the character creator just for level 1 or can we kind of plan what a “max level” character would be?

As someone who really likes messing around with creating characters, that is really good news though!

Kunikos · 2009-10-02T09:51:54.000Z

Derek French:

Dragon Age: Origins Character Creator to be released October 13

Oh, sweet!

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Well, I’m not as excited now since another Bioware dev said you can’t actually pick any skills to finish making your character. Weak.

Derek_French · 2009-10-02T09:53:37.000Z

Murbella:

Is the character creator just for level 1 or can we kind of plan what a “max level” character would be?

It is mainly the character creation portion of the game, extracted so that you can play around with the different options. You will be able to look at the different high level abilities on those screens, but you do not get to select them.

awdougherty · 2009-10-02T11:03:09.000Z

Has there been any word what the power of the editor will be? I’m guessing that will be a huge bonus to the PC version, but I’m having trouble seeing what can actually be made with it. Is it a full NWN style editor or is it a more complicated, meant more for mods of Dragon Age type editor?

Sarkus · 2009-10-02T11:31:42.000Z

awdougherty:

Has there been any word what the power of the editor will be? I’m guessing that will be a huge bonus to the PC version, but I’m having trouble seeing what can actually be made with it. Is it a full NWN style editor or is it a more complicated, meant more for mods of Dragon Age type editor?

There is a full forum devoted to the editor here. The thread called “Limitations” would seem what you are looking for. From what I gather there are some hard coded things that you simply won’t be able to do and then there are some things, like creating a totally unique world, that are possible but which will require a lot of work. Not surprisingly, the editor is geared towards people making stuff set in the fantasy world Bioware created for the game. Those are the included assets in terms of monsters, terrain, and so on.

Murbella · 2009-10-02T11:34:39.000Z

Now the only question is who is a bad enough dude to convert the amazing excel nwn2 char builder spreadsheet to dragon age…

Kunikos · 2009-10-02T11:36:53.000Z

Murbella:

Now the only question is who is a bad enough dude to convert the amazing excel nwn2 char builder spreadsheet to dragon age…

That Excel is nothing compared to the website: http://www.nwn2db.com

It even supports the popular Kaedrin mod. :)

Murbella · 2009-10-02T11:41:42.000Z

Kunikos:

That Excel is nothing compared to the website: http://www.nwn2db.com

It even supports the popular Kaedrin mod. :)

You win your nwn2 gold star for the day sir.

unbongwah · 2009-10-05T08:01:47.000Z

Derek French:

All retail and digital version of Dragon Age: Origins, Collector’s Edition or Regular, pre-order or not, include the code for the character Shale as well as the Blood Dragon armor.

OK, but what about the other in-game bonuses billed to be in the CE on Amazon, namely:

3 pieces of exclusive in-game content:
* Bergen’s Honor: A massive helmet made out of dragonbone (+2 to armor, +25 physical resistance, +6 to attack).
* Grimoire of the Frozen Wates: A special book that adds +3 to all attributes when read.
* Final Reason: A magical staff of immense power (adds to damage, spell power, and fire damage).
“The Stone Prisoner” unlockable bonus quest and unlockable character, Shale.

Exclusive in-game item for use in the upcoming title Mass Effect 2.

mono · 2009-10-05T08:36:46.000Z

Kunikos:

That Excel is nothing compared to the website: http://www.nwn2db.com

It even supports the popular Kaedrin mod. :)

Anyone want to link to a decent Monk build on that site? (or anywhere for that matter) I never finished the NWN2 OC, but I want to play MoB, and although I always love the idea of playing as a Monk, I suck at creating a decent build. Getting a decent base for one would be nice.