Elemental all-purpose thread

[Adam_Altmann]

I noticed when building a sov. that if it takes 3 points to pump up attribute to go from 12 to 13 (for the specific example I noticed) and I have 4 points left to spend I can bump up an attribute and have 1 left and STILL bump up an attribute with my last point. Is this by design? Or a bug?

I noticed this too. If you start off by doing Attributes first, you’ll be charged three points for them. However, if you spend your points in such a way that you only have one or two points left at the end, you can raise an Attribute with them.

So, I’m wondering if the cost of raising an Attribute is one point, but when you select it you get charged three…and if it’s supposed to be this way or not. I’m leaning towards not, as this would put player created sovereigns at least a little more in line with the pre-made ones.

[TurinTur]

Fire Giants! Woo.

Let’s have a look at its abilities.

1. Flame Strike. Cost: 3 mana. Range: Infinite. Damage: Attack strength (17.6 in this case)
2. Searing Attack. Cost: 3 mana. Range: 1. Damage: 3 “true damage” (presumably gets through defence?) per round for 3 rounds.
3. Fire Breath: Cost:: 3 mana. Range: 4. Damage: Half the caster’s attack strength.

Dumb, dumb, dumb.

It’s powerful, but the real problem is, you can obtain them well before the “medium-late game” stage, once you know what you are doing. A “fire giant rush” strategy, you could call it.

[Dejin]

I have Wild Horses available near one of my cities. I say available - I mouseover and it says my faction cannot use them. Despite being able to select them in the shop and in the unit designer. And the game puts a big fat ! over the wild horses and tells me to build there. Sigh.

Not sure I understand. Have you built a stables over the resource yet or are you saying it won’t let you build stables.

[Dejin]

It’s powerful, but the real problem is, you can obtain them well before the “medium-late game” stage, once you know what you are doing. A “fire giant rush” strategy, you could call it.

I think you can only get one though. Although that might be one per caster and it might have changed post patch.

[Brad_Wardell]

And yet the names he chose to specifically respond to weren’t the ones trolling and were the ones posting reasonable criticism. That’s what was bizarre about the whole thing. If Brad had told Matt Gallant to fuck off, it would’ve made a lot more sense than telling Ben Sones not to buy anymore Stardock games.

Just to respond to this:

Ben Sones isn’t some random guy. We’ve been friends for years (heck, we’re even FB friends).

So yea, his comment on calling it an “early beta” really upset me. I acted rashly and I apologize for it. I shouldn’t have said it. But this was not me responding to just some guy in a thread.

There was another thread some months ago about Warlords Battlecry where I got upset with Tom (Chick) because of something he said. But if it were some random guy, I wouldn’t have cared. But it was precisely because we were are friends that it got such a strong reaction.

That is why context matters. I get flamed daily. I don’t care what Matt Gallant or whatever says but I do care a lot about what my friends say.

[Telefrog]

You always hurt the ones you love.

[peacedog]

Really? You can make insane amounts of gold off of the Notable Level 3 treasure chests. It also unlocks a bunch of new resource nodes, especially gold mines. I always push pretty hard for Adventure because it really seems to be a boon to my economy, which has a lot of synergy with the +gildar buildings in the Civ tree.

I’m not claiming it isn’t useful, though I’ve apparently been getting/chosing crappy techs in my current games. I’ve opened up level 2 and 4 adventure sites and little else. No, wait, some more goods sites appeared at one point (or seemed to). No chests or anything like that. Oh, and one “better” hero appeared, and I hired his ass.

I just find it weird. It’s not the “hey, you researched animal husbandry and now cows are visible” aspect. It’s that it seems to have a much bigger impact on the gameplay tied into one magical tree.

I’m probably starting a new sandbox game tonight (mis-planned my two cities and I’m having to w a i t for farming improvements in the second to build so I can make more huts in the first and expand it again, and anyway there has been another patch since I patched it seems), and I’m going to try and pay closer attention to it. I just don’t like that the meat of the hero activities is so closely tied into a tech tree right now.

[JM1]

It’s powerful, but the real problem is, you can obtain them well before the “medium-late game” stage, once you know what you are doing. A “fire giant rush” strategy, you could call it.

My point was that all the abilities cost the same, yet one is significantly better than all the others in terms of damage AND range. One of them is situationally useful. One of them is worthless.

One unit, three abilities. It took 3 seconds to look at them and laugh my head off.

Not sure I understand. Have you built a stables over the resource yet or are you saying it won’t let you build stables.

I cannot build stables.

[MSUSteve]

Just to respond to this:

Ben Sones isn’t some random guy. We’ve been friends for years (heck, we’re even FB friends).

So yea, his comment on calling it an “early beta” really upset me. I acted rashly and I apologize for it. I shouldn’t have said it. But this was not me responding to just some guy in a thread.

There was another thread some months ago about Warlords Battlecry where I got upset with Tom (Chick) because of something he said. But if it were some random guy, I wouldn’t have cared. But it was precisely because we were are friends that it got such a strong reaction.

That is why context matters. I get flamed daily. I don’t care what Matt Gallant or whatever says but I do care a lot about what my friends say.

I understand where you’re coming from with this, but Ben wasn’t really flaming you. He was expressing what seemed to be pretty reasonable criticism. Of course he fully explained what he meant when he said “early beta” later in the thread, which seemed to be the initial source of irritation and which I hope is completely smoothed out at this point.

Anyway, like I’ve said a few times, I’m looking forward to getting back to Elemental tonight. I’m really hoping the “Day 0” patch has smoothed the learning curve a bit in the campaign.

[JM1]

Fuck fuck fuck. Went to build a city, CTD.

Edit: Lost 4 turns.

[MSUSteve]

Even playing last night, before the 0 day patch, I never had a CTD unless I Alt-Tabbed to the desktop. That could be because I never played for more than about 20 minutes at a stretch, but stability wasn’t an issue. We’ll see how it goes with an extended play session tonight. At least you can adjust the auto save regularity to take some of the sting out of random CTDs.

[Dan_Theman]

As Ross pointed out, Tom Francis is clearly referring to the version of the game released and paid for by folks at least two days before the “Day 0” patch.

Oddly, I don’t read it that way at all. Then again, we clearly seem to be talking past eachother so it’s not a shock we read it differently. As …

I’m not sure if you’re being willfully obtuse or you’re just a very literal person by nature. I don’t think I’m reading anything into a post where you clearly blame the “sound-bite oriented world” for taking Brad’s statement out of context and sensationalizing it. In context Brad’s comment was asinine and his anger was misdirected.

Regardless, I have no further wish to derail this thread when it’s gotten nicely back on track.
… I guess I must be a very literal person. Something I never considered before, but perhaps that’s the case. Should you wish to understand what I meant in my prior posts, let me know. I’ve thought I’ve been overly clear, but I keep getting responses that don’t fit what I’ve tried to put in my posts. It’s a shame, but I guess we’ll both manage to get by, somehow. Fare thee well with the thread.

[Richard_Holt]

100% positive.

I have Wild Horses available near one of my cities. I say available - I mouseover and it says my faction cannot use them. Despite being able to select them in the shop and in the unit designer. And the game puts a big fat ! over the wild horses and tells me to build there. Sigh.

Are you an Empire faction? Only Kingdom factions can build stables on horses. Empire factions get wargs.

Fuck fuck fuck. Went to build a city, CTD.

Edit: Lost 4 turns.

In the options you can set autosave to every turn.

[JM1]

Are you an Empire faction? Only Kingdom factions can build stables on horses. Empire factions get wargs.

You misunderstand me. I know my faction can’t build stables. But the game sees fit to tell me to build there, and lets me specify horses as mounts in the unit designer.

In the options you can set autosave to every turn.

Is there an option to stop it crashing? :(

[Mordrak]

Is there an option to stop it crashing? :(

Don’t open it.

[Richard_Holt]

You misunderstand me. I know my faction can’t build stables. But the game sees fit to tell me to build there, and lets me specify horses as mounts in the unit designer.

Whoops, I fail at reading comprehension.

Is there an option to stop it crashing? :(

Sorry to break this to you, but apparently I have the only PC in the known universe that can run Elemental. And I ain’t sharing.

[KevinC]

Sorry to break this to you, but apparently I have the only PC in the known universe that can run Elemental. And I ain’t sharing.

I’m not either, I had one crash right after patching, but since then… nothing. One crash in ~10 hours of gameplay isn’t bad… of course, that does dick-all to help out poor JM and others who are having the crash problem, sigh.

[JM1]

Another issue, but not a common one: I’ve defeated 5 out of 7 spiders. The two that are left are sitting 2 squares away, not moving. I just click end turn repeatedly to test and they don’t move.

[kerzain]

It could be that he 2 spiders are outsmarting you: Are they on defensive bonus squares?

Who attacked who? If you attacked them you will run out of morale before they do, and possibly run away.

(or they’re totally braindead)

[Sten_Friberg]

Sorry to break this to you, but apparently I have the only PC in the known universe that can run Elemental. And I ain’t sharing.

I have one of those as well. Not a single crash, including alt-tabbing back and forth.