3361

A game is released in what’s widely-considered an unfinished state, in contrast to the developer’s much publicized views on that practice. When the CEO of the company then continues to angrily insist that the game was ready for release, of course it’s newsworthy. It’s all part of the same story.

3362

It doesn’t seem like anyone did that. Neither PCG or RPS put the focus on the angry “never buy our games” part-- the quote was there to support their point that the game has issues, and that Stardock have failed to live up to their obligations.

3363

About time we injected some more game related text here, I reckon.

Elemental & stability on my gaming machine:

1.0.0 - 1 crash to desktop after 4 hours or so. Otherwise fine.
1.0.1 - Crashes every 1 - 10 turns on the end of the turn. Argh.
1.0.5 - (current version) - Crashes sometimes after 10+ turns when just moving a unit or ending the turn. More worryingly: once the tactical map was a completely white area with no UI or units and very very very frequently the performance goes completely to shit when moving between tactical and world or cloth map and world. Luckily going in and out of cloth map via the 1 - 5 keys seems to sort it out until the next time it happens. Oh yeah, and every time you load a game whilst already in a game, it crashes.

I’m really enjoying the game but the stability problems are just soul destroying. I have a 4 day weekend during which I shall actually start posting crash dumps for Stardock, I guess.

I suppose this is some karmic balance thing, as I almost never encounter any stability problems with PC games. I’m the irritating “well it works fine for me” guy normally.

3364

I care about what a developer thinks about me as a customer. And you act like the only thing these sites post are tabloid material which is hilarious, how about stepping away from the shrine and clicking through to the sites you are bashing.

3365

It’s true that the websites do post other things. However, when they put up news articles based in part on what a developer posted in an informal bboard (as opposed to on their own offical bboards) then they are resorting to supermarket tabloid levels of material.

3366

Well… looking back at the last 300 posts I stand by my point. I would really like to discuss the actual game but it’s pretty darn difficult.

Is it bad to feel relieved about that? Being not the only one and all that…

3367

Use the other thread, and let those who still feel the need continue the outrage in here.

3368

Sorry, I should’ve taken into account posts made in the future when responding to your post I guess

3369

No oracle required to predict that one :P

3370

Really? You expected a shitfight between Tom, Kieron, and half the forum?

Can I have the result of England v Pakistan, 4th Test? It’s being delayed by rain and I fancy putting a few quid on it.

3371

See? Even snarky comments with a smiley cause it… :D
Also, England will win by a small margin.

3372

Just to clarify…

I said that we’d edited it in areas we weren’t happy with in my first post to you. The areas we weren’t happy with aren’t related to the core story. They certainly aren’t related to using the quote.

And, as others have said, a plain statement introducing you to the fact we’re on the Internet is actually relatively diplomatic compared to what I was responding to. I deleted several more noxious takes, and considering I was high on booze, that’s some going. It’s probably a good example of the whole point. I know I’m in a public space and have to be careful with what I say. Even booze does not confuse that. Which is lucky, considering how boozed I often am.

That’s what I mean about it being the Internet. This is the Internet. If someone considers something relevant, it will be linked to. If anyone in the world can find the quote, it’s not in any way “off the record”. We’re on the public record, forever here. I do miss the relative anonymity of the early Internet. I often talk to fellow writers how we used to just throw stuff out there we could never do now. But those days are gone and we have to deal with it.

At its heart, it’s a simple disagreement here. You don’t think the quote was relevant to the story. I do. And I don’t believe for a second that there’s no quote from a developer here you wouldn’t use as a story. Let’s say Charles started a thread explaining why he really hated Assassin’s Creed or something. You’d link to that. I don’t believe you if you say you wouldn’t. And - perhaps just as importantly - if you still say you wouldn’t do it, you’re 100% wrong. It’s about as newsy as videogame news gets.

I don’t think the thread is going anywhere from here. We just don’t agree with one another and I suspect we should just get back to talking about the game. And now I have the game, I can actually play it. Hurrah!

KG

3373

Controversy without my involvement just doesn’t seem right!

3374

No worries man. I’ll go to RPS and pick up your tab.

I thought both the PCG and RPS story were nuanced and fine.
Only way to prevent this from happening is making it a private forum and a bannable offense to quote from - and that still couldn’t prevent it completely.

3375

I hate to live in a world where people read or watch some stuff, so that media confirm his opinions of the world. And these medias know it and serve that purpose (demand). This why FOX exist.

So you have people that write “I quit” post, because a media don’t confirm his opinions.
Well… good luck with that. I hate Kotaku and I still read it, and I read far-right newspapers, because I want diverse opinions. Hell… reading Kotaku have made me realize Deadspank will suck, even before (or IF) RPS talk about it.

To be correctly informed, you have to read different sources, not limit yourself to the ones that aprobes your thinkings. Journalist make newsposts, but we the readers have to correctly use that sources.

3376

Behold Brad Wardell contacts!!

CNN.com??

3377

Richard was “beside himself” when he read the PCG/RPS articles, apparently.

I don’t know how you get so emotionally invested in a game that’s been out for a couple of days.

3378

3379

So? please explain if I should be outraged at this - I fail to understand the relevance, but I’m sure there is some Brad Wardell bashing to be had from the article, if one looks closely enough.

3380

I have no idea who Larry Frum is, I’m not even a native english speaker but that article reads like it was written by a 8 year old. Seriously.
Not to mention lots of games “shed unpopular anti-piracy system(s)”, where exactly is Elemental so different in that sense?

And on point with the discussion, I bought Elemental, feel like it is unfinished and I’m not returning it simply because I know (hope) Stardock will release the necessary patches that will make it overall better, but still it feels like a direct violation of the Gamer’s Bill of Rights so aptly championed by the CEO of Stardock.