Elemental all-purpose thread

[Stepsongrapes]

But I certainly understand someone assuming that spouses might join each others’ battles.

Seriously? Are we back in the 60’s?

There’s things to safely assume and then things that you shouldn’t assume without at least some evidence.

Assuming someone is engaged in a smear campaign and calling them out on that? You might want to find some proof.

[JM1]

Galadin, that’s fair enough. Angie’s review does what she’s done to a lot of books: hold the idiocy up to the light and expose it. It’s a “When you put it like that, it really is ridiculous…” moment.

[Angie_Gallant]

Galadin, have you completed the book? A lot of the subtext I picked up on comes from the wholey human Kraxan “blood traitors” and the way they as a group and Calis in specific are treated through the story, and the final confrontation between the two Titans as they discuss their motives. But I am someone who sees racial subtext in LotRs, so we may just have different goggles through which we view these things.

[idrisz]

If only the explanation to your retarded posts was that you made them under duress but no, you’re really like that.

I’m totally under stress, 80 hours week, but that’s the thing you do when you want to polish the game before shipping it.

[BrianRubin]

So off topic, someone help me out here. When was the last time a game or a scenario regarding a game’s bungled release garnered such passion, anger and vitriol here on Qt3?

[Oghier]

So off topic, someone help me out here. When was the last time a game or a scenario regarding a game’s bungled release garnered such passion, anger and vitriol here on Qt3?

I was just wondering that myself. This thread has more concentrated anger and pure venom than anything I can remember reading at QT3 (I don’t wander into P&R much anymore).

It’s a PC game that was released months too soon. I guess I just expect that, at this point, and focus more on whether it’ll eventually get patched up to spec.

[Murbella]

MoO3, Spore, gothic 3

[BrianRubin]

I was just wondering that myself. This thread has more concentrated anger and pure venom than anything I can remember reading at QT3 (which means I am forgetting something, likely).

Exactly. We have disagreements and arguments here all the time, but I can’t recall anything with this level of, good word, venom attached to it off the top of my head.

[BrianRubin]

MoO3, Spore, gothic 3

K, those make sense, but did these discussions also include vehement personal attacks and the like?

[kerzain]

So off topic, someone help me out here. When was the last time a game or a scenario regarding a game’s bungled release garnered such passion, anger and vitriol here on Qt3?

I think it was the thread about the lawsuit threatening the development of Dudebro 2 by Grimoire Assembly Forge.

[JM1]

If Bill Roper was a prominent member of the board and had reacted in the same way when Hellgate was released, how do you think that thread would’ve gone?

(Note: Hellgate was in better shape)

[The_Punch_Line]

Brian, while I think Brad did mislead the forum about how together the game was prior to its release, I don’t consider saying so an “attack”. He did say those things. I’d think of it more like a referee calling an own goal, and wondering why the other referees seem not to have noticed.

[Murbella]

K, those make sense, but did these discussions also include vehement personal attacks and the like?

No, because the creator was not to my knowledge posting on these boards, but they certainly had a hell of a lot of mad people in them being quite mad.

Any D.S. game is probably the only ones that come to mind.

Although come to think about it, The Metroid Other M thread is close in hatred for the people who are destroying their childhood.

Edit: hellgate london is a good call as people were targeting their anger at bill roper specifically. A lot of people bought in to the dream he was spinning and a lot of people (including myself) felt betrayed when they were brought back to reality $50 later.

[maxle]

It’s a PC game that was released months too soon. I guess I just expect that, at this point

Which PC games are you playing?

[BrianRubin]

Brian, while I think Brad did mislead the forum about how together the game was prior to its release, I don’t consider saying so an “attack”. He did say those things. I’d think of it more like a referee calling an own goal, and wondering why the other referees seem not to have noticed.

I’m not even only talking about attacks against Brad. This seems to have brought out anger towards a lot of people in general…personal attacks and what not. It’s worrisome.

No, because the creator was not to my knowledge posting on these boards, but they certainly had a hell of a lot of mad people in them being quite mad.

Any D.S. game is probably the only ones that come to mind.

Although come to think about it, The Metroid Other M thread is close in hatred for the people who are destroying their childhood.

Edit: hellgate london is a good call as people were targeting their anger at bill roper specifically. A lot of people bought in to the dream he was spinning and a lot of people (including myself) felt betrayed when they were brought back to reality $50 later.

This is true, I guess they didn’t have the focal point of the creator being around here.

[Dan_Theman]

Which PC games are you playing?

I’m thinking “months” was overstating it, but I’d say a very sizeable percentage my PC games required patches in order to “play right.” Hell, Dragon Age only fairly recently fixed the last of their dex issues (at least I think they’re all fixed, now). In no way does that mean that they’re equivalent as games, but let’s not pretend that half-baked releases are rarities in PC gaming.

Dragon Age? Check.
Empire: Total War? Check.
Spore? Check.
GTA? Check.
Gothic 3? Check.

The list goes on.

[Galadin]

Galadin, have you completed the book? A lot of the subtext I picked up on comes from the wholey human Kraxan “blood traitors” and the way they as a group and Calis in specific are treated through the story, and the final confrontation between the two Titans as they discuss their motives. But I am someone who sees racial subtext in LotRs, so we may just have different goggles through which we view these things.

I think my argument may be getting lost somewhat here. I am not saying that one can’t find and interpret, in their reading of the material, racial subtexts. Actually, if someone doesn’t find it in most fantasy, than I would be concerned with their ability to interpret literature.

My main point was in the attribution of these racial subtexts as directly related to the intention of the author, either consciously or subconsciously on their part. I think that is an area of big concern, often what the audience sees and interprets from an artists work may have no relation to what they thought (if anything) they were writing. In this case, the story calls on so many standard tropes of fantasy, that I would more likely contribute the racial subtext to Brad just recycling these standard fantasy tropes.

[The_Punch_Line]

I’ve only played Dragon Age out of that list, but that was a finished game. Patches weren’t for content or features.

[maxle]

I’m thinking “months” was overstating it, but I’d say a very sizeable percentage my PC games required patches in order to “play right.” Hell, Dragon Age only fairly recently fixed the last of their dex issues (at least I think they’re all fixed, now).

Well, if you consider Dragon Age’s initial state to have been half-baked, that’s where the disconnect is.

[Oghier]

Also, everything by Troika. Which are (now) some of my favorite games.