On the other hand, it’s possible these folks engaging in ‘career suicide by tweet’ are making a public name for themselves quickly and helping their chances to get a new job elsewhere. We old.
That’s fine, but some folks here seem to be saying that this behavior is okay and should be tolerated by any boss and not just Elon Musk.
Lurb
2817
The behavior is ok in context. The company is a dumpster fire and the owner dumb and crazy. Anything goes.
Any CEO shitting on their teams in public should expect little loyalty or respect in return.
Presumably these folks that are pushing back at Elon in public live and work in the United States. They must be aware that they can’t criticize the boss publicly and expect to escape with their jobs. Certainly not with this boss.
The only reasonable conclusion is that they don’t care.
Timex
2819
Yes, this is a well known thing, kind of a consumer Stockholm syndrome. I forget the actual name of it.
One thing about Tesla is that even the internal production qualities have had a history of being really substandard. For instance, this example of a guy finding a weld inside a Tesla that looks like it was made by a child.
Google “Tesla bad welds” to find a ton of examples, and these potentially have actual structural implications on the cars.
antlers
2821
Right, they might decide it is better to be fired than to quit-- you can get unemployment. Not like the question “why did you leave your last job” will be particularly awkward in the future.
Advertisers loving this more and more I guess.
I wouldn’t worry about them. A good developer can always find a job.
Maybe these guys are not that good, and they messed up. But as I mentioned earlier - the problem when you do layoffs is not only that you are getting rid of the bottom X% performers, but that you also alienate everyone else - which will almost always lead to some of your top performers leaving (because they are the ones who can easily find a new job). Usually that happens quietly, but this time we are just privileged to watch it blow up in public, due to how dumb Elon is.
Since this country is clearly functionally incapacitated, is the EU going to step in and perform a little oversight on this dillweed?
Under the EU’s GDPR, meanwhile, Twitter is obliged — in just one very basic requirement — to have a data protection officer (DPO) to provide a contact point for regulators.
Hence the departure of Kieran, its first and only DPO since the role was created at the company in 2018, has not gone unnoticed by its data protection watchdog in Ireland — as we also reported Friday. But the Irish Data Protection Commission (DPC)’s concerns are already spiraling wider than Twitter’s compliance with notifications about core personnel: Last week, the authority — currently Twitter’s lead EU DPA under the GDPR’s OSS — put the social media firm on watch by signaling public concern when it said it would be putting questions to the company about the status of its main establishment in Ireland at a meeting scheduled for early this week, to discuss all the recent privacy changes since the Musk takeover.
JonRowe
2825
I call into question the methodology of that “car satisfaction” poll.
It isn’t a poll at all.
It is an aggregation of user ratings from multiple sites, and then squished together in a really weird way, with some really weird limitations on what data got put in, and what got left out. Electrek reposted from:
But what cars have the highest ratings among car owners? We created a list of the 50 top-selling cars from around the world and recorded their average reviews from the people who have owned them.
We used the owner review sites Parkers, HonestJohn, Autotrader, and Edmunds to record average owner reviews for these vehicles. In our final list, only models which had ratings from at least three sites are shown. Average ratings were calculated as an average of the ratings taken from each review site.
They aggregated user reviews from a bunch of websites, and then took brands as an average of their cars that were in the top 50. Tesla has 1 data point in the top 50, so the brand “satisifaction” judgement comes from 1 vehicle.
It is also insane to judge “brand satisfaction” on cars. Most car makers make shitty cars, it is much more about the overall satisfaction of the model of car year over year that is important.
I also had a lot of trouble even finding the data that report was attempting to use. I could not, for the life of me, find “Autotrader ratings” for vehicle makes/models. That is a car sales site. They must be pulling that figure from somewhere else on the site that isn’t a user rating.
Anyway, I would never trust anything electrek says about Tesla, they are an enthusiast site for Tesla, and other electric cars. While they have plenty of insight and expertise, I wouldn’t expect them to post an unbiased article about electric technology. They also say that their writers hold stock in Tesla and other green energy companies.
I would trust consumer reports, a wholly independent review company, much more.
An absolutely fantastic summary thread:
LeeAbe
2827
Well it goes along with what I said earlier in this thread, I have never met a Tesla owner who didn’t love their car. Are they perfect? No, but people still love them. We can write it off as because people want to justify their purchases, but that doesn’t seem to be what is happening from the people I have heard talk about them.
DoubleG
2828
Consumer Reports also says that Tesla is the most liked brand according to owners (3 Most and Least Liked Car Brands, According to Consumer Reports). But their aggregate rankings, which include value and maintenance history, tend to rank Tesla low.
JonRowe
2829
I dug out my 2021 CR “Car Issue” to see where they had Tesla ranked.
16th out of 32 companies. (Which was a drop of 5 from 2020)
66 out of 100 for a score.
#1 was Mazda, with an 80.
Tesla, in terms of Car companies, when you look at all of the factors are about the middle of the road, when compared to other brands.
Their cars are fun, with lots of neat features, but they suffer greatly in reliability, as well as having a few models which scored really poorly in CR’s road tests.
They love the Model 3 though, it is one of their “recommended” picks for an EV Sedan.
@DoubleG Thanks, I couldn’t find it, as CR is stupid and requires you to pay for an online subscription separate from the paper magazine one, so I had to dig out my stack of old issues. The “Most liked” brands all tend to be luxury vehicle brands, because those are the people shelling out the big bucks, so they are very much going to enjoy their car.
If you dig into the breakdown of their reviews too, the reliability issues are all with fit and finish, paint, body panels, gaps, plastics.
DoubleG
2830
I would guess that people that buy a Tesla or a Porsche are more likely to internalize the car as part of their identity than somebody who buys a Mazda.
I don’t own a Tesla, but I’ve ridden in them, and I can see why they’d appeal to people who are design-adjacent type people. They do have some nice, swoopy curves, and I’m sure the ‘ping’ when you open the doors and glow from the dashboard displays are very tasteful. If you buy a brand-new iPhone every year, the Tesla is definitely the car for you.
Why is it a good thing to go public with criticism of your company’s executive(s)? If I hire you and say something you don’t like are you going to criticize me in social media?
I’m not defending Musk because he shouldn’t be shit-talking his own company. That’s just stupid. I just don’t think it’s wise for these employees to trash Musk in social media. I don’t see that helping their job prospects.
JonRowe
2833
I mean, I guess the problem I have with Teslas, is that you are paying near luxury car (or exactly luxury car) prices for an experience that doesn’t compare with most traditional luxury vehicles.
Part of the price is the “wow” factor of all of the technology in the car, but, I guess to me, I would rather buy a nice used ICE Lexus until the price and frenzy on EV’s dies down, and the greater competition gives you more choices.
I mean, this a Lexus RX 350 2020 - 5k miles 50k
is cheaper than a Model Y (even a used one, I checked) with 38k miles for 55k
You are paying for a brand name, an early adopter of new tech, and all the trouble that goes with it.
I just don’t get the interior design as well
YUCK!
Gorgeous!!
In most circumstances, this would probably be true, but Musk’s Twitter takeover has been far from most circumstances. I’m not sure how much that’s going to be held against them in a job interview.
