2856

Yes, really. People who make that kind of public spectacle are clearly prioritizing their own petty interests over being a good team member.

I’m not saying people should put up with a clown or feel they had to back twitter management publicly. I’m saying that the professional way out of a bad situation is to quietly quit and move on. THEN they can say whatever and it’s appropriate. I’ve been in bad tech company situations in the past, they are distressingly common, but I’ve never felt the need to go public with my grievances or debate my CEO on social media.

Flaming out in a public fashion to get fired is a juvenile gesture and I’d be leery of trusting someone like that with anything important in the future.

2857

For me, “developer who is willing to pick a fight with world’s richest man” is at least getting to the in-person interview stage

2858

Yep, I’d interview them based off this alone.

2859

Yes, because when you hire somebody you are taking a liability and putting at risk other employees/business partners. Somebody airs dirty laundry in public and more people than just the crappy CEO or whatever can get hurt by collateral.

Hiring wise, I would be wary of even people taking things public after employment. If a job is that bad that you feel the need to do that, you should have quit before (and made attempts to fix it internally before).

I’m fine with people complaining internally, and externally but privately/not on record. Or you know, do it anonymously, ffs. But somebody who goes public better have a good reason for it (criminal behavior fits the bill, for example, but crappy management doesn’t).

2860

There isn’t a team at Twitter anymore and the owner has made that abundantly clear.

He’s shit-talking his employees in public on things he literally doesn’t understand. Responding and correcting him is suddenly “not being a team player”? He’s supposed to not stand up for his people and just take it in the ass while an idiot demeans him?

Edit: Apparently everyone here is also going full anti-whistle blowing, so I’m just bowing out of this part of the conversation.

2861
2862

Also The Onion just continues with it’s Power of Prophecy.

2863

No kidding.

Also don’t forget a number of them were fired for making critical remarks in private forums. The firing people for making comments on the company Slack is a level beyond, and man does the thin skinned petty tyrant of Elon come through there.

Also remeber he was all about the freeze peach man, even speech you don’t like. Hows that working out?

2864

You are correct. Context is key.

2865

Yeah, this is both unjustifiable and also extremely bad/stupid policy.

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2867

I generally agree with you, but in this context Musk’s behavior goes beyond crappy management. It’s arguably fiduciary negligence and if I was a stock holder I’d be talking to lawyers. I do agree that practically speaking, it’s unwise to publicly lambaste the management. However, in this particular case I’d not be at all shy about hiring the fired engineers. It’s a unique situation.

I have to disagree with you on this. You are asking for a standard of behavior that is unreachable except for saints or people with massive savings accounts. In most cases, you would probably be right, but I do not think these people are in a normal situation. Musk is an order of magnitude beyond bad management and well into potentially criminal negligence land in my book.

2868

Being more often in the “hiring” chair these days, I can absolutely see @Juan_Raigada point. Having a massive twit-fight with your boss on twitter certainly isn’t something that would earn an interviewee any plus points in my book.

On the other hand, I also wouldn’t hold it against him in particular, given what a massive screwup this entire layoff situation seems to be. At the very least, I’d give him a chance to explain why he chose to act that way, rather than dismiss him out of hand. The stuff I’ve seen, at least, hasn’t been “airing dirty laundry” from the employees - the one doing that is Musk. If he’s on top of that going round sacking people for internal chats and other ridiculous reasons, I don’t have difficulty understanding why some employees might lose their patience enough to shoot back at what they perceive to be public slander.

I agree with @TheWombat - what Musk is doing atm is way past just regular mismanagement. I don’t know how I’d react myself, if I were placed in a similar situation. But I’m not surprised Musk is taking so many precautions to prevent disgruntled employees from sabotaging things on their way out; he’s basically doing everything he can to piss off everyone he can.

2869

Yup. It’s totally about context. I wouldn’t hold it against these folks because Musk is having the public pie-fight.

In general though? Random guy getting canned after having a public fight with their random boss? I’m probably not gonna bother asking questions. I’ll just pass on that application.

2870

Indeed. Praise your team in public, critique them in private, says any sane and decent manager.

2871

Was it even a fight, though? Elon said Twitter is slow on Android due to reasons. Guy who works on that says no, that’s not the case. Elon asks him to explain and he does.

I don’t see how that’s a fight. At most it seems to be correcting an inaccurate statement in public, but it was Elon who chose the venue.

I know you’re saying in general, so in general I agree. I’m just a little confused by people’s perspective on what went on.

2872

Musk is a(n in)famous guy. Him having a shitfit on Twitter is news, so any exchange with an employee that results in a firing is going to be something a lot of people see and can judge in context.

I’m saying a random person that has a similar exchange with a random (unknown) boss is probably not going to get the benefit of that infamy. It’s just going to look like an employee corrected his boss on a public venue, and had a fight, (fair or not) which is not doing that person’s job hunt any favors.

As someone who has combed through applications and hired people before, it’s not the kind of thing I’m going to look at positively if I don’t have that “the richest man in the world is melting down in public” back story.

2873

But having that story, as a hirer of engineers, I’m probably going to interview the guy.

2874

Sure! Why not? Even if the applicant is a dud, the conversation would probably be funny.

2875

As a hiring manager, I could not care less if someone disagreed with their CEO in public.

What I care about is that they were describing system internals in public. That will get you fired for cause almost anywhere.