Epic Games Store - 88% split goes to devs

Well, possibly. Not to recapitulate the thread. But Epic games tend to be more expensive or the same price as Steam. Without giving players additional incentive to switch (like free games, discounts, coupons) i would not expect the average gamer to really care one way or another.

More expensive?

It’s something he literally said. He compared Epic’s move to the civil rights fights. There are only a couple of notches that would indicate there is a bigger ego than that. So no, he’s not doing this benevolent thing when he could be just sucking in retirement money. He seems to need the attention.

The whole quote from Tech Crunch - Epic Games founder Tim Sweeney likens fight against Apple to fight for civil rights – TechCrunch

“It’s everybody’s duty to fight. It’s not just an option that somebody’s lawyers might decide, but it’s actually our duty to fight that. If we had adhered to all of Apple’s terms and, you know, taken their 30% payment processing fees and passed the cost along to our customers, then that would be Epic colluding with Apple to restrain competition on iOS and to inflate prices for consumers. So going along with Apple’s agreement is what is wrong. And that’s why Epic mounted a challenge to this, and you know you can hear of any, and [inaudible] to civil rights fights, where there were actual laws on the books, and the laws were wrong. And people disobeyed them, and it was not wrong to disobey them because to go along with them would be collusion to make them status quo.”

Not sure what the inaudible part was.

Sure gamers wouldn’t care, that’s why Epic is buying gamers and losing all that money. Developers would prefer Epic because they take a much smaller cut.

It can be, especially for things like DLC. Right now the Binding of Isaac Collection which I’ve been mulling over is a bit more than $32 on Steam. It’s not on sale on Epic anymore, but even when it was it was $40. I bought Outward on Epic for $6 with a coupon, but the DLC have never been competitive with Steam (thanks largely to authorized key resellers who mostly don’t sell epic keys), so I don’t have them.

Yeah, that sucks. The DLC thing is why I rarely buy games from GoG, because you have a bunch of legit key resellers that can usually uncut GoG (and Steam and Epic). Also, you don’t know if a publish will continue to support a store with DLCs, which happened to GoG.

If I could wave a want, DLCs would be Store Front Agnostic, like they used to be when it was called expansion Packs.

He was using that as an example, not equivocating. Drawing a comparison does not imply equal moral weight.

You don’t compare something like that to a retail battle. The fact that he did… well hey I guess rich white men will step on anyone’s life long and generational struggles and loss of life for a zinger, and be defended for it.

I would disagree that it is merely a retail battle. It’s not the Civil Rights Movement, to be sure, but we have seen a sea change in how companies treat consumers, with large corporations limiting access to their products as much as possible, so they can wring every last dollar out of it, even if it means stifling progress or hurting consumers.

This particular case has a lot in common with Right to Repair, which Apple is also on the wrong side of, but so is John Deere and Medtronics (famous for limiting who and how Ventilators can be repaired, just so they could make some more money off of the hospital, regardless of who dies). In all cases, its about Companies limiting who has access to their product after the product has been sold. It is about seeking rent later on, either by controlling who or what can be sold on the platform, or by forcing people to use overpriced repair services that only they offer (and limiting how people can modify the device).

Again, its not the Civil Rights Movement, but it is about large entrenched factions trying to retain wealth and power by acting as Gate Keepers.

It’s annoying, but it really is just a matter of policy. GOG and Epic could easily let resellers sell their keys – they just don’t. In GOG’s case it’s probably due to their minimal profits. In Epic’s case it’s probably due to their already slim margins. Steam allows resellers to sell their keys (including DLCs) knowing that they’ll often have better prices than Steam themselves.

I have seen a couple epic keys for sale here and there, but I don’t know the story behind it, if any.

I love how Epic wanting to sell more shit has somehow made them into the good guy battling the giants. They don’t care about any of that, they just want to make more money.

Didn’t you here, there was MLK, Rosa Parks, John Lewis, the people hit by fire houses, attacked by police dogs, attacked by the literal police, the girls blown up, the men murdered and then, of course, Sweeney, fighting the good fight.

You both seem to think that the motivation to do this is important, but its not. People do all kinds of things for purely selfish reasons, and in this battle between Apple and Epic after all. Both are companies with bad reputations.

But in this battle, I’m going to side with the people that want to create a fairer market place for the consumer, where companies don’t get to have near total control of their Audience, like Apple has.

As I said, this isn’t the Civil Rights Movement, not in terms of scale or scope, but it is an important fight on how much control we should have over a product after we bought it, and how much control the corporation should have over it. Do we have a right to install whatever we would like on our phones (provided its available) without jumping through hoops or paying 99.00 extra dollars.
Do we have the right to repair on own devices, or get a third party to repair it that isn’t overseen about the corporation? Do we have a right resell items that we have modified, like Lil Nas X “Satan Shoes”?

To me, its all part of the same fight. The fight of the individual to do what they like with the product after they purchased it.

Now, Epic and Tim Sweeney aren’t my favorite Standard Bearers, but I don’t get to choose that. But it is a fight worth having.

Honestly, the weird thing is that you have this idea, and yet you voluntarily commit yourself to using iOS products.

If you really believe in such things, why wouldn’t you use Android, which is a dramatically more open ecosystem?

Maybe because Apple has the best chip set available for mobile phones?
Maybe because Apple set a terrible example?

As I said, I believe John Deere, Apple, and Medtronics (and other companies like them) are all playing the same game. Using their market share to limit the ability of the consumers to use their product outside of what they expressly permit.

Heh, and they told you that was really critical, right?

Perhaps it is for my use case. You don’t know, do you?

I mean, before Covid-19, it probably wasn’t a big deal that only certified technicians could work on Medtronic Ventilators, or that modifications weren’t allowed.

Is it?

It seems like if you really hate the way Apple operates, you should be really sure that you absolutely need that “best chip set”, because maybe you don’t. Indeed, you almost certainly don’t.

And then, you suddenly have a huge number of options open up to you.