ShivaX
2934
Sure, they weren’t complying like 4 months ago, but now I’m sure they’re fine.
That was like so long ago, practically another lifetime.
Even if I fully believed that, it’s not the issue at hand.
There’s an API for third-party apps to request Steam data. It does nice things like ask the end user if they want to share data with a given app. They can say ‘no’. It’s the correct tool to use if you want to import someone’s Steam friends. Why did Epic not use the correct tool? Why bother with searching a hard drive for Steam files and decoding an un-documented format when you can get a handy-dandy hunk-o-JSON that has the same information in it, except that the latter alerts the end user what you’re up to?
CraigM
2936
Exactly. It’s not that they did it, it’s the way they did.
I would like Epic to be a viable store. It could push Valve to be better (and I think there is evidence it has already). However Epic has persisted in continual shady dealings.
I’m not even upset about the exclusives. That wasn’t going to be a deal breaker for me. It’s this periphery nonsense that irks me.
We know they mishandled personal information they had no right to, that is a violation in itself.
It probably doesn’t violate Steam’s EULA and thus isn’t hacking, and that would be backed by horrible and badly written laws anyway, so I’ll drop that argument.
Either way, it’s a bad impression joining a lot of other bad impressions pointing that the consumer isn’t in their list of priorities. It might change or it might not and the world will keep going and they’ll likely keep making a lot of money, but I’m not going to accept that it’s stupid to be concerned just because it’s normal to just ignore the problems.
KevinC
2938
Big picture, streaming, workshop. I used all three of those today, and that’s not uncommon.
I am one that rarel uses any of the special features of steam. I dislike the workshop as it does take control away how mods are installed and I prefer doing this with a software created for this purpose (overwriting files in specific orders, making mods compatible etc) so the Nexus is far superior for me. I hate that so many guides are hidden behind steam. The forums are a cesspool I usually avoid. I do believe Devs need forums though. So yes, my use case seems to differ a lot from you angry people hence all the gnashing of teeth and continued anger just seems silly to me. I haven’t launched steam in month.
LeeAbe
2940
The vast majority of of the people on Qt3 don’t seem too angry about it. Don’t like it, sure, but hardly angry.
Completely understand that some people don’t use Steam much or care about the features. But what strikes me the most is those people here are writing off that others do like Steam’s features. I shouldn’t care about Steam features because you don’t? (Not directing this at you specifically @ImaTarget, just keep seeing this attitude repeatedly here.)
You can care about steam features, of course. But the anger, and people are angry or at least somehow emotionally involved, otherwise we wouldn’t have almost 3k post here, is totally out of proportion. There are other sources for the things people want from steam but many sound like it’s steam or nothing.
mixuk
2942
Yes, it is the anger and lashing out that is standing out. I stand by that I think there are plenty of people who just like to be angry and now the target is egs, repeating lines about the features it is missing (that only a fraction of people actually use) is the bullshitty part. Just admit that you love being outraged.
LeeAbe
2943
That’s just as true with the pro-Epic/ambivalent crowd. There are quite a few posts here from both sides.
At least on QT3 I see very little anger. I am not angry, but find it annoying the pro crowd is so dismissive of people who like Steam.
Gamers just like to argue.
mixuk
2944
Yes, that’s why I like qt3, I was talking about this in a more global sense.
Still, what’s wrong in dismissing steam features? If they don’t matter to you, that’s OK. If they do, that’s OK as well. Why does it matter?
I am 100 percent behind that.
LeeAbe
2946
Because those features are important to a lot of people. They are what people like about Steam. Just because you don’t use them, it doesn’t make them any less important.
It’s like the post above stating Steam is just a start button, as if he’s unaware of all the other stuff people like, just because he doesn’t use it. If your argument is because you don’t use the features, they don’t matter, we aren’t having a meaningful debate.
ImaTarget the workshop works just fine for the Warhammer/Total war games.
As an aside that seems relevant, modding is generally getting better on steam. I like nexus fine (even if I question some of the vortex stuff) but there are many many games that can be loaded straight from steam workshop.
CA btw (Total war games) seems to be working hard to get a good mod manager up on every game,
Yes, Steam is not only is a more feature packed platform, it also is relatively more open with sharing those features. Good reason to support them.
I admit I am generally grumpy over epic store exclusives. I just wish a game were out and we could buy it anywhere we wanted.
It is aggravating in a way that seems hard to explain. For example that Hungarian dungeon crawler – Opelankia (or whatever the hell it is) was on on my steam Wishlist – but then it gets yanked over to this Epic thing … just forget it. I am not serving up my poor visa card again for a Hungarian dungeon crawler.
Let them run an extreme sale. But by god the exclusives just sorta suck.
mixuk
2950
Sure, but using it as an excuse to be outraged of a different product is what I find… questionable.
The thing that also baffles me is that it’s not even a forever exclusive. A year or even only six month. I wish I could have had RDR or RDR2 in that time frame. Or any of the other Console exclusives. But there is no outrage of the same degree there. I remember the shitstorm when Steam first was released and people hated it because they had to install it for HL2. Doom and gloom and the end of PC gaming etc. But now we have Origin and Uplay and GOG and Blizzard launcher etc. What’s one more? Getting a delay on a release sucks if you don’t want to switch stores. But that’s your choice and so much of an entitled first world problem it baffles me. The overall internet hatestorm on this is so out of proportion and just not in any way justified. No one forces anyone to use egs at worst they force you to wait a year.
Because I rarely use controller I don’t even know what that means. What options have Steam for controllers?
Don’t games support natively the standard controllers, at this point in time?
There are very sophisticated controller remapping options with the Steam Overlay that far exceed anything you’ll find in a games built in controller setup. These make traditionally Kb+M only games (e.g. 4X, RPGs, FPS) very possible to play from a couch.
On top of the customization, there is a hugh library of others config to use off the shelf, many of which are far more creative (and useful) than what I may think of. For examples see the Existential Egg YouTube channel.
