3095

Epic has lost my password twice to outsiders, so I’m not going to trust them with anything any more, and especially not my payment details. But, yeah, their stance on security is ridiculous. I mean, they’ve been aware of this for 10 months before doing anything? Jesus Fucking Christ they suck balls.

3096

Another one of those bitchers and moaners!

Gotta love catchy headlines.

3097

Funny, the only one I trust less than Epic is Randy Pitchford.

3098

Love how the article fails to mention the game is even coming to Steam at all.

3099

I’m no fan of Pritchford (although I do love Borderlands!), but we’re seeing people bitch and moan about the Epic store here too, and it does honestly seem to be without any real justification other than preferring all their games in a single storefront.

Epic store is an extremely good deal for developers and studios with the 12% cut alone, if you save another 5% because your game runs the Unreal engine it becomes nigh-criminal to not launch there. And if Epic is guaranteeing revenue, that simply cannot be beat. Castigating studios for launching on Epic is stupid. They are simply acting in their own best interests.

3100

Randy is using a Melville novel worth of words trying desperately to convince consumers how awesome and amazing the Epic store is when what he really means is that he is really happy the C-suite executives, publisher, and shareholders just got a fat Fortnite check and guaranteed minimum sales.

No surprise he likes sleight of hand tricks.

Same goes for consumers.

3101

I sincerely don’t see how you can be in this thread and come to that conclusion. Hell, I don’t even like Steam, but it’ll be a cold day in hell before I install a privacy/security threat like Epic’s client, to say nothing of all the anti-consumer shenanigans.

If this stuff doesn’t bother you then it doesn’t bother you, but pretending that the rest of use are just blindly loyal to Steam is disingenuous.

3102

Great way to mischaracterize 3,000 posts of a topic. You may want to actually read the thread next time before posting.

3103

Those objections are silly. The Epic store is new, of course it doesn’t have all the Steam features yet, but they’ll come. I’m very protective of my privacy and security and agree that scanning Steam data was scummy, but they immediately capitulated and reversed that when people complained about it. Tim Sweeney went on Reddit and took full responsibility himself.

The worst thing the Epic store did was ripping Metro Exodus off Steam when it already had tons of preorders. That wasn’t cool at all. But again they apologized, said that was the wrong decision, and that it wouldn’t happen again. They’re new at this, they’re making mistakes, but they’re learning from them.

These are all valid concerns, don’t get me wrong, but wildly overblown and don’t justify a boycott.

3105

Swing and a miss. People have, ad nauseam, posted their reasons for not wanting to use the Epic store and you failed to address almost every one of them. Epic shill alert!

3106

Yeah, Epic is paying me. I’m playing the long game, posting on the forum for 15 years first to gain your trust.

3107

There is a post above that details my experience with Steam and describes no fewer than 15 features that I used in the last month that are not available on Epic. You addressed exactly none of them. If you want to stop being disingenuous then we can have a discussion. If you choose to ignore and/or mischaracterize what people have posted and then act the fool then do not be surprised when someone calls you one.

3108

He didn’t, really. It was a total “it was my responsibility that we did nothing wrong” apology.

3109

They later walked this back and said they wouldn’t stop, and it did, in fact, happen again.

3110

Which they did, anyway. And we have you supporting them for a mistake and others for doing what they have to.
Typical sleazy tactics that tell you all you need to know about customer value.

3111

It sounds suspiciously like you’re making that judgement on behalf of everyone - as though others don’t have the right to make their own decisions about these issues.

The issues with Epic are, at this point, a matter of trust. Personally, I think they’ve blown any credibility they were ever going to have with sleazy tactics and dishonest walk-backs. You can conclude otherwise, of course, but I’d ask that you extend me the courtesy to make my own damn assessment, rather than (deliberately?) mis-characterizing it as platform loyalty (we really are in backwards-land when someone’s accusing me of being a Steam loyalist).

3112

Yeah, they’re firmly at “well, fuck it, we’re going to continue to offer incentives to folks to jump to us, and whatever they decide is on them” regarding yanking games off other stores. Sweeney has entirely walked back the promise to not pull a Metro Exodus.

3113

Personally, I don’t even consider myself being engaged in some formal boycott or anything like that. I don’t have as much time to play games as many others here do, so I rarely get to play at release anyway.

It’s fairly easy for me to wait until the Epic exclusives are released on a more consumer-friendly, secure, and stable platform (GOG or Steam).

Personally I kind of wish each new developer that signs an exclusive deal with Epic didn’t need to go through a dog and pony show to try and convince consumers how great Epic is.

Just be honest. Release a statement that says, “It would’ve been fiscally irresponsible to our shareholders to not enter into a partnership with Epic”.

I really disagree with Snapshot’s decision, but at least they were honest and indicated that every single backer could refund and they would still be in the black. The empathetic side of me can sympathize with Julian worrying about writing paychecks to his employees and worrying about the future of his studio. I understand why he did that even if it disadvantages me as a consumer. A deal like that also makes a real difference for a studio the size of Snapshot. For 2K/Gearbox the deal is more about extra revenue for the publisher and executives.

3114

For the Borderlands deal you forgot to mention “reminding everyone that Randy Pitchford is a knob” so really, Epic is providing a public service here and we should be thanking them.

3115

Yes, if you ignore the hundreds of posts that explain stuff