Why did it have to be public just because it started out public? Is there a law about that? Can’t you DM people on Twitter? Didn’t he havr prior email communication with Epic because of the request?
When something that i doesn’t need to be public, is made public, it’s usually because the speaker has something to gain from making it public.
Nesrie
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I imagine he is as just imperfect as the Ooblet’s dev in understanding how people will perceive how he communicates.
Why are you charitable to one and not the other?
I am being generous. That’s how much I doubt this guy’s sincerity.
Because, again, it’s a private comment made public. Very different from a public comment made public.
That Epic proposed a partnership because it wanted to profit of his game, and that’s all. The only thing the dev did was make it obvious that he’s just another middleman that wants the same thing as everyone else.
Whoop De-doo. Sorry for your bubble on the savior of PC gaming, though.
I don’t think anyone thought that Epic was anything but a callous money making middle man. Some of us just don’t think Steam is any better, and believe that competition makes things work better in the long run.
I mean, that’s the whole idea behind capitalism, right? That are selfish actions can be bent to public good through the use of the free market.
And again, exclusives are a (barely) acceptable method to break into an established market.
Quite true. Which is why I wish other stores/platforms like GOG, itch, Discord, Desura, etc. had received the same zealous support and defenses Epic has received in this thread. And that should have happened well before 2019. Not sure why Epic has received such special attention.
It’s because of the fear and anger directed at Epic. It triggers people who can’t understand why there is so much hate, so we feel compelled to defend it. Unjustified anger makes my skin crawl.
Anyway, that’s my feeling about it.
If only the other side was more reasonable, it would get so fired up.
It’s completely irrational.
This charity tweet call out reminds me of the first episode of Black Mirror. Not the same moral quandaries but the tactics.
CraigM
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I mean GOG has gotten quite some positive attachment and advocates. The difference is there hasn’t been any negative pushback. People who like Steam generally have liked GOG too. They were not mutually exclusive. And even people who preferred GOG didn’t seem to have this need to go after people for using/ preferring Steam.
And why not? It was a fully featured store with a unique take.
Epic, however, has some rather obvious flaws, a company that has more people with a negative perception of prior to the launch, and is more directly trying to bring a walled garden approach to PC gaming. So it gets more strong negative reaction than GoG ever got, their stupid ‘we’re closing’ stunt aside. Which in turn brings out… this trash fire.
It’s cute that you think I have some kind of emotional attachment to Epic.
Those stores haven’t seen the same kind of vociferous, histrionic, illogical rejection. My interest in this debate has always been about countering bad faith and preposterous claims about what Epic is trying and unwarranted attempts to run them out of the market.
Not really much of a walled garden if you can literally step over it with a single click though?
CraigM
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Defending billion dollar corporations is inherently irrational.
Boy, I wonder where he would have gotten that impression from, certainly not your pattern of posting in this thread.
Again, people defend because we don’t understand why there are attacks to begin with.
Personal, I think you all are just jealous because you can’t enjoy all the free games that Epic is giving away. It’s literally something for nothing!
Nesrie
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Absolutely not. If you don’t understand; it’s a choice. What you are actually doing is disagreeing with it.
CraigM
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Don’t start linguistic chicanery please. Platform exclusivity is exactly them applying console tactics. Tactics I generally dislike. Just because it does not require buying dedicated hardware does not make this untrue.
And need I remind you, I actually have nothing against devs taking the offer, and am not boycotting EGS either.
I just don’t particularly like it, their approach (which is different from understanding it. It is a perfectly sensible plan from their end), or Epic in general and Tim in particular. And that predates EGS, so isn’t some agenda against them for competing with Steam. Whcih I don’t have.
CraigM
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There is not understanding, willfully ignoring, and then there is what Brad has been doing.
It is fine not to agree on certain points, and your recent post about how the customer shopping experience on EGS is inferior do show you understand, at least in part. You like EGS, I am ambivalent at best. Broadly supportive of better devs, but not a fan of the store itself due to features and the company behind it. Free games are a nice draw, exclusives a net negative.
On balance it is about a draw, with a slight lingering bad taste for me. Nothing I get up in arms about.
But the carrying water for a multi billion dollar corp, and so vigorously, would be amusing were it not for the fact it can be so obnoxious at times. While I may be annoyed with how it feels you have ignored genuine concerns*, Brad has been outright obnoxious and the fact he claims to have no emotional investment is outright hilarious. Like seriously, he has been the equivalent of that annoying Steelers fan going on and on about how Big Ben is the best, and the team is definitely going to win the Super Bowl without those losers Bell and Brown, and berating anyone who is wearing the wrong uniform color who just wants to order some food.
*which not all of them were
Nope, you don’t get to bring out platform exclusivity because it doesn’t exist. There is no friction between moving from Steam to Epic to GoG to Origins or whatever. Unlike an Xbox or Playstation I don’t even have to turn on Epic or Steam separately. It all just runs on my computer. In fact, I can literally run them both at the exact same time. I’m not sure why I would do that though. Try running Crackdown and Zelda on the same machine at the same time. It’s not possible, because they are part of different platforms. Different Hardware, different software.
So, when Epic stops me from playing and running Steam games or requires to me purchase a dedicated machine, I will be the first to make the argument that Epic is not just a store, but a ‘platform’ but until then, I would kindly ask you to reframe from echoing such poor, and inaccurate arguments. It doesn’t become you.
So, no I am not defending Epic, I am attacking ignorance.
By the way, one very good definition of a platform is as follows:
A platform is a group of technologies that are used as a base upon which other applications, processes or technologies are developed.
In personal computing, a platform is the basic hardware (computer) and software (operating system) on which software applications can be run. Computers use specific central processing units (CPUs) that are designed to run specific machine language code. In order for the computer to run software applications, the applications must be in that CPU’s binary-coded machine language. Thus, historically, application programs written for one platform would not work on a different platform.
So, my windows PC is a platform. The Epic and Steam stores are not since games I purchased on Epic can run on my machine exactly the same as games I purchased on Steam.
Again, you are all entitled to your own opinions on why Epic is a terrible store or service, or that Tim Sweeney is a shitty guy that just wants to make money, but when you start making up facts to fit your argument instead of arguments to fit the facts, I for one feel compelled to push back.
Well, I do think it is better for allowing the breath of stuff that I find interesting (mainly), but I’m under no illusion that it can’t change overnight. Well, overnight would surprise me, but it will change.
I don’t think free market theory makes much sense on non interchangeable goods, but it can at least be regulated to that effect, yeah.
You can do better sarcasm, come on! We can still collect the games until the client is usable!(ok, this one is getting old too)
Those stores haven’t funded breaking promises of availability and ports, either. Or pretended that it’s just a different icon.
You really want me to keep mentioning Linux, don’t you? :P But there is also friction for friend lists or workshop using games (Civ, PDX games in general, Starbound, tabletop simulator, …). Not a big deal in most cases, but PDS games without the workshop… never again.
