Hey, you brought “PC tradition” into this, not me.
So basically that was all bullshit and it’s just a matter of what you prefer and who you dislike, not really some fight against the bastion of proper PC gaming…
I am against Epic’s tactics…not sure what “wrong warp” you went through there.
Alstein
5598
Namco and SNK also have rejected Epic recently.
Some devs/publishers are very happy with the EGStore (and Epic’s business model) thus far!
KevinC
5600
Well yeah, they get a 88/12 split. They’d have to be nuts to not like the business model.
Matt_W
5602
I’m not sure how this is cherrypicking data. If I say “some” it already implies “not all.”
KevinC
5603
Some maybe, but I don’t think most tell Epic to fuck off. Epic’s position is very developer-friendly, the 88/12 split is a big deal. For me it’s always been the lack of focus on the customer experience that turns me off.
I mean, it’s all we do here, there’s no definitive answers or ways to have them.
But, yeah, I’d classify my comment as trolling and lazy, so nevermind and sorry about that.
KevinC
5606
I don’t think anything is being cherry-picked here. It’s just that… of course developers are very happy with the 88/12 split vs a 70/30 split, I don’t know why they wouldn’t be. No one put a gun to their heads to force them onto EGS, they did it because they (understandably) want a larger cut.
I’m NOT equating these two industries (I know a certain someone in this thread is chomping at the bit to misrepresent this), but I don’t think an article saying “The Oil and Gas industry execs are very happy with government subsidies”. That’s kind of a given since it directly helps their bottom line. Whether or not they like is kind of irrelevant when discussing how tax dollars should be spent.
So to bring it back to EGS, I’m sure they are very happy with the 88/12 split. It really doesn’t change anything about my user experience, though, it’s beside the point. I don’t think I’d heard anyone question that developers weren’t happy with the business model?
In any case, I am a big fan of the 88/12 split, assuming it’s sustainable. I’d love to see Steam reduce their cut in response and hopefully we can get away from this exclusivity nonsense.
Is there any indication about how many real dollars are being given to developers when they get exclusivity? I mean, we’ve heard some devs say that they’re expenses for the whole project are basically covered… but is that like $1MM or $2MM? Or could it be less than $1MM? Or more like $10MM?
I’m curious to see how long Epic can fund exclusives. I know they are Fortnite rich, but the store will need to show strong profitability fairly soon to justify the amount of cash that may be burned on exclusives.
I have expressed this earlier but want to repeat: I completely sympathize with those who dislike exclusivity. I have a large library of games on Steam and can understand the desire to consolidate a gaming library into a single location! However, I didn’t hesitate to add non-Steam options as needed to play the games I wanted to play (e.g. World of Warcraft and Hearthstone with Blizzard, GoG’s launcher for various titles from my college days, etc.) But that’s just me and I understand those who aren’t happy at being unable to buy a title on Steam when they had that previous expectation (and it’s their preferred platform.)
Having said that, I believe Steam and the EGStore can absolutely co-exist and that competition is a good thing for gamers/consumers. Some have cited the expectation that gaming prices will rise due to the EGStore and I completely disagree, as a basic economic principle is that market competition generally leads to lower prices.
Lastly, I will do my best to avoid insults or statements that can be seen as inflammatory. Although I don’t care for the hyperbole and especially wince at false or inaccurate statements, I’m not always at liberty to correct them, so I must simply sigh and move on. ;)
Yes, but exclusivity removes that competition - before EGS Metro was available in multiple stores that competed, after EGS it was available in a single store with no competition and no pricing competition either. As a result, I get worse product for same or more money.
Maybe in the future, when/if EGS abandons exclusivity agreements, hopefully what you are saying will be true.
KevinC
5610
I think they could, but exclusives prohibit competition. If EGS wants to compete for my dollars, they should compete for them. Put the game and both stores and let me decide where to buy them. Right now, they have to rely on exclusives because they know Steam has them beat in terms of features and customer experience, so they deprive customers of choice. That is not competition.
I will celebrate if Epic drops the exclusivity stuff and competes for my dollars by offering better sales, better features, better user experiences, etc. I don’t know if and when that will happen, but I’ll be very happy to have EGS around at that point. Right now, not so much.
Quick question, when it comes to selling games, who sets the prices? If it is the store, then having fewer stores sell a product might have an impact.
But, if it’s the publishers, does it make a difference how many stores are selling a game?
Nesrie
5612
Of course it makes a difference. You already know that or you wouldn’t be so aggressively backing… another store yourself.
The fact that the second store can’t actually function without the first is a red flag to begin with though.
I don’t know that. Who sets the prices?
Nesrie
5614
You don’t know if it matters how many stores exist, but you’re damn sure you need EGS?
I want to know if the publishers set the prices for their games. I know they decide on steam whether they would take part during sales. I know that a few games on Epic upped their prices when Epic was doing the 10 dollar deals.
So, yeah, I think it’s important. If a publisher decides the price of the game and not the store, isn’t it ultimately up the publishers responsibility what the prices are? The same game on different stores arent going to undercut themselves, because that only undercuts themselves.
Nesrie
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You actually buy games right? And you are fully aware that when there is a sale on one storefront that doesn’t mean there is a sale on another storefront or even the first party site/store if there is one? Even if there are two sales, they are not always the same price. EGS isn’t creating a market out of thin air. They’re bulldozing their way into an existing one, using the work of another store front to cherry pick their games while entering as an inferior option to customers. You’re asking this question like the market just poofed out of thin air when EGS showed up. They certainly intend to disrupt the market but you can’t pretend the decades prior to this didn’t just happen and you’re some new gamer who just opened his eyes yesterday. All the while asking if we need more stores as you literally support the emergence of a new one right here.
