KevinC
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Forget EA maybe they’re just awful. Let’s focus on EGS. Why is Borderlands 3 not cheaper? Where are the savings from 88/12?
It won’t happen because Epic is a tiny fish in a huge pond. Epic and their prices won’t make an impact right away, and to expect otherwise I’d simple erroneous. Or disingenuous.
What, they have 2 triple AAA titles so far? Out of how many?
And of course the final point is most of those games aren’t exclusives, but sold primarily on consoles. So, epic is an even smaller fish in that bigger pond. As a store.
KevinC
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EA Origin. Where are the savings? Are they also a tiny fish?
My friend, you can’t seriously be describing a multi-billion dollar corporation like Epic as a “tiny fish”?
In the meantime that tiny fish has made non-sale prices go up for the consumer with regards to exclusives since we’ve lost access to the fierce competition of the key seller market. Maybe that will change down the road.
KevinC
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THANK YOU MAURY GOD BLESS
Humble has a few EGS games with discounts, but that is the only store I’ve seen do that. GMG has EGS keys at full price.
Borderlands 3 is the perfect example. The PC version is not for sale anywhere at discount.
Console versions have up to $10 pre-order discounts floating around already.
KevinC
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So you’re admitting we as consumers won’t be seeing discounts on games sold via EGS, regardless of the split?
I wouldn’t say all games, depends on the publisher/developer.
We know for a fact, Metro Exodus was cheaper on EPIC than it was on STEAM.
I am saying that it won’t happen until companies being see benefits from Epic, and feel comfortable undercutting their competition.
Metro Exodus did.
Let’s face it, games are pretty cheap, compared to the 90s and 2000’s.
The problem is the true cost of games is hidden behind DLCs and loot boxes.
KevinC
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I will admit Metro was cheaper than on Steam but I would add two caveats if I may:
- Only for US customers
- They were facing a PR firestorm for so abruptly pulling off of Steam.
AFAIK, it hasn’t been repeated since.
KevinC
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Oh no you don’t, you sneaky little devil. ;) You have made repeated claims that EGS is good because it will result in lower prices for us, and that’s your single most important issue. That’s a completely different topic.
Also:
They don’t have competition, since they are exclusives. Which, if I’m not mistaken, is where this convo started. :)
KevinC
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Anyway, @legowarrior, you know I love you, man. Imma check out of the thread for a while. Hope you and your family have a lovely Labors Day weekend!
Really? Cyberpunk 2077 is out right now on Steam. Bloodlines 2 is coming out.
Doom Eternal. Outerworlds Biomutant.
All these games compete for the same dollars. These are the competition. Not the stores, but the games.
These games all compete with my dollars for Metro Exodus, or Borderlands 3.
That is the competition that makes a difference. And almost all them are paying a big cut to Steam, or Microsoft or Sony.
My expectation is that when Epic (and other stores that take about a third of what steam does) start selling a significant number of AAA games, then you will see prices start to go down, because then publishers will have more room to cut prices. But only then.
By that definition I’m not seeing why EGS is so great for increasing competition. There’s already a bajillion games competing for my dollars on Steam, Origin, etc. Adding EGS brings it to what? A bajillion and 30?
I am starting from the point of view that games, as it currently stand, can’t be sold for less. That’s why we have so many DLCs and loot boxes. I am also starting from the point of view that games are relatively elastic that you could replace one game with another on your wish list if one game went on sale, but the other didn’t. if that is the case then publishers are mostly the biggest competition not the stores.
So, adding a few percentage points back to the publisher gives them a bit more wiggle room. Capitalism will natural push prices down after more wiggle more is created.
Sadly I’m not an economist I wasted my time studying psychology.
A fair argument, but you evidently have more faith in capitalism and games publishers than I!
People have said that I’ve been a bit naive. They may have a point.
Right back at you @KevinC.
